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Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by ema on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:29AM (#28234253)
7 years ago I had just aborted an internship, my foray into being an employed adult, because I found myself unable to deal with disagreements. Contrary to my naive hope that the confidence boost from being a Professional Software Developer(tm) would solve all my emotional problems I now knew that my limitations would follow me around anywhere I would go. But I had no idea how to change and was too stuck in my own anxiety and arrogance to ask for help.

Around that time I Somehow stumbled upon this[1] article on how to make a Buddhist bone trumpet. It took me completely by surprise, the topic, the author, the tone, the context of Buddhism, nothing fit together like I expected. It was the most absurd thing I ever read and I kept laughing, at the same time it felt utterly genuine. My curiosity piqued I read the other less bizarre articles from the author about Buddhism and life in general. It dawned on me that my attempt at completely controlling my life had, in fact, caused me to lose control over it. The process of learning to accept unpredictability and open myself to the world, that started the evening I read that article, was by no means always this fun, but looking back boy was it worth it.

[1] https://buddhism-for-vampires.com/kangling-chod

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by superasn on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:55PM (#28237075)
> It dawned on me that my attempt at completely controlling my life had, in fact, caused me to lose control over it.

So many enlightened people have quoted this as the one thing that matters most than anything else.

I read this article "This column will change your life"[1] about an Indian philosopher named Jiddu Krishnamurti many many years ago but this passage really stuck with me:

Krishnamurti went on to give countless talks at which he frequently implied that his audience shouldn't be wasting their time listening to spiritual talks. But perhaps the most striking was a 1977 lecture in California.

"Part-way through this particular talk," writes Jim Dreaver, who was present, "Krishnamurti suddenly paused, leaned forward and said, almost conspiratorially, 'Do you want to know what my secret is?' " (There are several accounts of this event; details vary.) Krishnamurti rarely spoke in such personal terms, and the audience was electrified, Dreaver recalls. "Almost as though we were one body we sat up… I could see people all around me lean forward, their ears straining and their mouths slowly opening in hushed anticipation."

Then Krishnamurti, "in a soft, almost shy voice", said: "You see, I don't mind what happens."

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/aug/10/stop-mi...

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by kcartlidge on Friday August 20, 2021 @05:30PM (#28251643)
In his early days Jiddu Krishnamurti was touted as the World Teacher by the Theosophists who 'discovered' and trained him. They made him the main guy of the Order of the Star. Then he stood up at a convention of about 3,000 members and disbanded the whole thing, abandoning the role they'd prepared. He said:

> I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path.

I can't remember the article/blog post now but it was a commentary on that one quote, which led to further reading of his books and a certain view on life (I appreciate the irony/contradiction given the quote, and I'm not a 'follower' of his).

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by archduck on Tuesday August 24, 2021 @06:59PM (#28296021)
The same author, Oliver Burkeman, wrote a similarly life-changing book as well, entitled The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking. Besides Buddhism, it also covers stoicism, the inevitability of death, and other topics having to do with the thesis that trying to be happy makes it harder to be.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by reidjs on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:03AM (#28234733)
> Finding a Femur: You probably already have at least a couple of femurs around the house. However, it is usually best to find one whose original owner no longer has any use for it.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by certeoun on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:28PM (#28235866)
Reminds me of stoicism. If it's outside your control, don't bother too much. Face your challenges and do the best you can, being a better you.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by codemonkey-zeta on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:40PM (#28236863)
Great wisdom presents itself with different faces to different people throughout time, but maintains the same essence. That's what makes it wisdom. It is eternal and unchanging, it just takes perspective to see.

I had exactly the same epiphany while reading Meditations. I thought, "wow, this sounds an awful lot like the Buddhism I've read/heard about".

Again, after reading Ralph Waldo Emerson I saw the same wisdom with a different face. I realized that all these people throughout time came independently to precisely the same conclusions about how to live life as part of the great "wholeness" (for lack of a better word) to which we all belong.

My experience with Buddhism is mostly limited to interactions with an old Buddhist friend, but in terms of literature I found Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha and J. D. Salinger's Teddy to be very palatable from a western perspective.

For stoic philosophy you can really do no better than Marcus Aurelius's meditations, specifically the more modern Gregory Hays translation. Epictectus's discourses are pretty good too, but are less pithy and have a lower signal to noise ratio when it comes to true wisdom IMO.

Emerson's Self Reliance, History, and finally The Oversoul will reveal the same wisdom from all the other works I mentioned.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by jonaustin on Saturday August 21, 2021 @02:53PM (#28259501)
This idea is called the Perennial Philosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy

Aldous Huxley wrote a book about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Perennial_Philosophy

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by codemonkey-zeta on Sunday August 22, 2021 @03:23PM (#28268619)
Brilliant! Thank you for pointing this out, I was unaware of this notion. From the first link,

> "In the early 19th century the Transcendentalists propagated the idea of a metaphysical Truth and universalism"

So it seems it was not a coincidence Emerson stuck out to me when I first read him (Emerson was a foundational Transcendentalist).

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by salt-thrower on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:57PM (#28237812)
It is very beautiful and interesting to me that Stoics and Buddhists arrived at very similar conclusions despite being thousands of miles apart and having little to no contact.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by stevofolife on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:13PM (#28242112)
Seems like mainstream folks tend to give credits of life wisdom to Buddhism and Stoicism but let’s not forget the Bible also mentioned the same in the book of Luke: “Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:33‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/114/luk.17.33.NKJV
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by salt-thrower on Friday August 20, 2021 @01:20PM (#28248687)
As others said, Buddhists and Stoics were earlier. Some Christian writings were definitely influenced by those lines of thought though, yes.

Speaking for myself, another reason I enjoy Buddhism and Stoicism is that they feel more like pure, distilled wisdom. Especially Zen Buddhism. Christian writings are filled with excessive moralizing and mythology, which enables all sorts of problems.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by tingol on Friday August 20, 2021 @12:36PM (#28248037)
That's because they did it centuries before Christianity?
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Friday August 20, 2021 @01:29PM (#28248820)
There was some interaction between Greece and India, and it's possible some thought from the Indian subcontinent may have influenced the founders of scepticism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism

While there isn't much direct evidence to support this theory, both philosophies have some ideas related to mindfulness that are too similar to me to be a coincidence.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by MaxBarraclough on Friday August 20, 2021 @04:13PM (#28250858)
Christianity has the same idea too, at least if you count the Serenity Prayer. Probably not an independent discovery though, I imagine its creator (a theologian) took the idea from Greek philosophy.

> God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

> courage to change the things I can,

> and wisdom to know the difference.

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer#Genuine_precur...

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by salt-thrower on Friday August 20, 2021 @04:19PM (#28250932)
Yes, this is the most stoic/zen prayer that I've ever heard from a Christian context. I like it a lot.

Unfortunately Christianity suffers from excessive moralizing and mythology, which turns me away from it. But it definitely has lines of thought that descended from stoic thinking.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by astrophysics on Thursday August 19, 2021 @06:17PM (#28240046)
They did have a lot of contact. I read about it from some Buddhist scholar, but I can't remember where.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by mekoka on Thursday August 19, 2021 @03:24PM (#28238179)
Somewhat. At a higher level being a stoic, gets you closer to the Buddhist mindset. Buddhism tends to differ in its acknowledgment that the active practice of stoicism (as a discipline) is still a pursuit, and thus still a means to assert control.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by yewenjie on Thursday August 19, 2021 @10:37AM (#28234360)
Also a fan of David Chapman here. Really looking forward to him finishing at least one of the books.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by tomComb on Friday August 20, 2021 @09:41AM (#28245812)
Yes, his writings are very interesting. I believe his two main sites are

https://vividness.live/

https://meaningness.com/

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by zxlk21e on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:40AM (#28235245)
> It dawned on me that my attempt at completely controlling my life had, in fact, caused me to lose control over it.

Could you possibly unpack this for me a little bit? It strikes me as absolutely true for me, too, or at least sounds like it could be true, but I'm pulling at a thread I can't quite grasp.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by mekoka on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:45PM (#28236101)
Warning: Buddhism redox and incomplete ahead. The purpose of what I write is to whet your appetite and maybe spark an interest for a personal journey. I strongly advise and even recommend a proper introduction. I suggest D T Suzuki and Alan Watts for their introduction to Zen. Amazing vulgarisers of these concepts. Watts' lectures are available on YouTube.

In the Buddhist philosophy the notion that you can control anything other than yourself is considered absurd. Even conceding that you have control over yourself is being generous. A need for control then becomes a major source of frustration, or as it's often referred to in this context, dissatisfaction or suffering. By studying the philosophy, you gradually untangle the absurdity and you progressively start to see the theory be manifested in reality. You then learn to accept it and see the absurdity of your own desire for control.

I can say that to you and it might make sense. But that's still at the theoretical level. For it to be true to you, you need to make the journey yourself.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by cpeterso on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:20PM (#28237347)
As the bumper sticker says: "Don't believe everything you think." :) Thoughts have a mind of their own.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by ema on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:30PM (#28235885)
I tried so hard to make everything go as I wanted that I increasingly avoided situations where I couldn't predict how they would go. That included stuff like talking about my feelings or asking for a favor or eventually going grocery shopping(anything could happen!! ;). Of course those are all pretty useful things and my difficulty with them convinced me even more that I had to absolutely make sure I had covered every eventuality.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by crdrost on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:25PM (#28236686)
This is also a deep principle of physics. Very simple systems can be "linear" and you can say "okay, if you tweak this little knob, e.g. increase the input, then such-and-so is what must happen, e.g. an increase in the output." But most interactions and feedback loops and so forth create a "complex system" and the result of tweaking one knob is not always what you'd expect -- you add more cars to a freeway and the throughput drops radically. Sounds like you were turning up the "control things" knob, and things got progressively more out of control -- this is quite common.

Another example is that often people who give up dieting will lose weight and keep it off. What matters is not the calories but the health of the relationship with food, and if the diet is taking an unhealthy relationship and making it even more dysfunctional, then how could it help?

Of course, you found the Buddhist solution which is quite meritorious in its own right and served me well at a difficult time in my life. There is also a Christian mystic solution which has similar aspects.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by buddhistdude on Thursday August 19, 2021 @11:54AM (#28235424)
Why do you need to understand this sentence? So that you can use that new knowledge to alter the set of concepts that you have of life, ideally improving them, so that you are more able to control your life, to steer it in a better direction? Because you want to be alright? The point is to let go
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by zxlk21e on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:04PM (#28235552)
I'm intrigued because at first it appears to be a paradoxical statement, but with a potentially logical answer.

In addition to that though, I think I (and others?) make sense of the world through narrative and there is value to other people's narratives, though that may be in conflict with the context of your comment.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by mekoka on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:12PM (#28235657)
It's a Zen game he's playing with you :). The point is to let go, but letting go can also become a pursuit, in which case you're not really letting go. You're right about the paradox, you're possibility wrong about the existence of a logical answer.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by buddhistdude on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:08PM (#28235616)
The idea of controlling ones life presupposes that there is “one”, that is separate from life, so that the “one” can control life. It presupposes some kind of separation in the field of experience.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by krelian on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:24PM (#28235819)
I recommend listening to some Alan Watts lectures on youtube (try to find a long video, the short ones are usually just bits with music added).
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by ozim on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:57PM (#28237811)
Maybe you can also think about "Maximizers vs Satisficers" as in this article: https://www.psychologistworld.com/cognitive/maximizers-satis...

Trying to find "the best option" or trying to totally control the outcome is counter productive. You lose your options, you lose your time.

While being satisficer you accept some parts that might not be perfect and your life moves forward. You open more options as you are not stuck on picking exactly the right washing machine and you open time and headspace for other avenues.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by agloeregrets on Thursday August 19, 2021 @01:27PM (#28236714)
One more logic-focused on it is that control is a false concept in general. You can only choose what to control what you think about at best but outside factors are out of your control so you become a slave to those changing factors. So, effectively, attempting to control external factors makes the external factors control your thinking.

Imagine leading an animal into a cage with food. To that animal, they are controlling their food intake and their lunch! In that attempt to exert control over the situation they have lost all primary control.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by artificialLimbs on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:04PM (#28237169)
You can make aims in your life, and try to work towards goals and build willpower. You can aim to surround yourself with people that you believe will help you grow and be positive influences on you, for instance. Or you can aim avoid people that you think won't. You will still run into the whole gamut at the grocery store, however.

Controlling your thoughts is another matter. Just try to stop thinking for an entire minute. Don't have any thoughts. Alternately, only think about 1 thing. You very probably cannot do it. We don't choose what to think, but we can choose how we react (or not) to our thoughts. You CAN choose to accept the thoughts as they come and not identify with them, deciding "oh, that's a thought, how interesting". This is in opposition to what we normally do, which is to act on every little thought that floats along or decide to 'grab' onto the thoughts and stay with them while going down whatever rabbit hole they lead us into.

Your point does stand, control is a false concept in general.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by setpatchaddress on Thursday August 19, 2021 @02:38PM (#28237558)
Tibetan Buddhist meditation practice makes it quite clear that you can (and are expected to, eventually) change which thoughts arise in the first place.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by donatj on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:04PM (#28235562)
> It dawned on me that my attempt at completely controlling my life had, in fact, caused me to lose control over it.

I genuinely think this is the key to happiness and success in general. Roll with the waves rather than trying to fight them. You can guide your life while still smelling the roses along the way.

Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by mistermann on Thursday August 19, 2021 @12:15PM (#28235701)
It would be funny if this was true at both an individual level and global level.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by rkhassen9 on Thursday August 19, 2021 @07:44PM (#28240720)
Hmm. Following on that thought, globally, controlling our environment on a global scale seems to have resulted in a total loss of control of the environment.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by oliv__ on Thursday August 19, 2021 @04:04PM (#28238665)
That was quite the rabbit hole.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by vangamoZX on Friday August 20, 2021 @05:29PM (#28251631)
Thank you. I could be in the same state than you were, possibly. Now, I'm intrigued and open to read more.
Re:Ask HN: What's the most life-changing blog post you've ev... by skr5 on Sunday August 22, 2021 @10:13AM (#28265622)
Inspiring. Thanks for sharing.