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Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by londgine on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:42AM (#28112816)
swimming technique and bicycle technically have improved a lot and all of the grading sports (gymnastics, diving) are constantly being changed since they were introduced into the Olympics. That is why so many of those records could be beaten. However it looks like Olympic archery does not allow a compound bow. I guess every sport decides if they want innovation or not.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by prof-dr-ir on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:26AM (#28113293)
Cycling is actually another notorious example of a sport where the rules are holding back significant innovation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumbent_bicycle

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by mariusor on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:51AM (#28113703)
Pro cycling is already a pretty dangerous sport, both on track and on the road. To mitigate those dangers a very important part is having a maneuverable bike. Recumbents are nothing of the sort.

I doubt that any pro-cyclist wants the speed advantages of one if it means that cornering is more difficult, veering into dangerous.

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by prof-dr-ir on Monday August 09, 2021 @04:38AM (#28113993)
There are also clear safety advantages to recumbents, like harder breaking without flipping over and an unobstructed view without sacrificing aerodynamics, so I do not think they should automatically be considered less safe.

I am also pretty confident that the 'manoeuvrability' disadvantage is completely irrelevant for any individual track event. And do you think that it would be an important factor for time trials?

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by scheme271 on Monday August 09, 2021 @04:59AM (#28114109)
It depends but I don't think a recumbent bike is all that great when climbing or descending. I can't see cyclists wanting a recumbent if there are any significant elevation changes on the course.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by recursive on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:25AM (#28116462)
Recumbents are beasts of descending. As long as there are no turns. On a straight descent, they'll beat anything without even trying.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by mariusor on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:04PM (#28118564)
We are talking about pro-cycling. The descents in pro tours have _a lot_ of turns.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by mariusor on Monday August 09, 2021 @05:39AM (#28114470)
Flipping over because of hard braking is not something that happens in pro-cycling.

[edit] And yes, for time trials recumbents would be nice, but already time-trial bikes are pretty different and unsafe, I don't think the UCI would allow even more risk.

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by nradov on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:00AM (#28116926)
The view from a recumbent bike becomes highly obstructed when you're riding in a tight peleton. The group road rides that I do don't allow recumbents for safety reasons. Traditional bikes have their dangers but at least your eyes are up higher to allow a good view around other riders.

Maneuverability is important for time trials. Most courses have several tight turns and crashes are common.

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by SilverRed on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:58AM (#28113443)
The rules are in place not to hold back speed, but to protect the image of cycling. A recumbent may be faster but it does not look like a bicycle to the average person and changes the image of the sport.

Things like better shifters, lighter frames (within reason) more aero parts (within reason) are still allowed.

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by brainwad on Monday August 09, 2021 @06:52AM (#28115065)
> lighter frames (within reason)

The UCI's 6.8kg weight limit is much higher than what is achievable with modern materials. So much so that there are frame builders who can build you an "illegal" bike made out of _steel_: https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/outlaw/outlaw-main.html

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by SilverRed on Monday August 09, 2021 @06:46PM (#28123243)
They do drop the limits over time. The reasoning is they want everyone to have very structurally sound bikes for safety. You _could_ build an ultra light steel bike but it might fail and cause serious injury.

With a minimum limit, no one feels the need to make their bikes less than perfectly strong. And when every OEM is making frames at perfect strength under the limit, they drop it.

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by brainwad on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @08:44AM (#28141334)
They haven't ever dropped the limit - a weight limit was introduced in 2000 and hasn't changed since: https://cyclingtips.com/2013/08/the-6-8kg-limit/
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by hervature on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:33AM (#28113607)
Could also put an engine in there. Sports are defined by arbitrary rules.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by nradov on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:03AM (#28116968)
There are actually sanctioned eMTB races now. Seems a bit lame but whatever.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by Jleagle on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:31AM (#28117321)
Why is that lame? Because they have a machine helping them? Is motocross lame?
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by Y_Y on Monday August 09, 2021 @07:41AM (#28115480)
Even something like a small faring, like the little plastic windshield on a motorbike should increase speed. One concern though, is that it would mitigate the advantage of drafting and totally change the strategy of cycling as it exists today (eg. re. the pelotón and breakaways).
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by sandworm101 on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:10AM (#28112924)
Swimming rules have also been progressively eased to help keep the records falling. Flip turns in backstroke. Relay dives. More aggressive dive blocks. The new breaststroke kick. Lots of little thing mean constant trend, constant records dropping.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by nl on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:59AM (#28113445)
But restrictions on swimsuit material have gone the other way. There were a bunch of records set using non-permeable suits in 2008-2009 that will take year to break again after FINA introduced the "textile material" rule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZR_Racer#Marketing_and_result...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_X-Glide#Controversy

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by sandworm101 on Monday August 09, 2021 @09:58AM (#28116900)
One of perhaps a dozen rules. The one rule that was tightened in a sea of rules being loosened.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by nl on Monday August 09, 2021 @10:53AM (#28117681)
Restricting underwater distance in butterfly was one that slowed swimmers a lot.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by 2muchcoffeeman on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:01AM (#28113159)
So what? Are people really not participating in a sport because there is no hope of breaking a WR? Sports are about fun and competition and sometimes exercise.

I’d also argue there is a difference between rules about equipment and rules about technique. Technique rules may have to be adjusted more often because if an athletes does something unusual that is within the current rule set but may be seen as advantageous, you have to make a decision.

With equipment you can just say no. Those Nike running shoes are banned, full body swim suits are banned. The javelin is just another ban. With equipment, it also effects athletes uniformly, everyone must change to the new equipment. So no one is unfairly penalised.

Why do the records need to fall?

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by bryanrasmussen on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:43AM (#28113380)
>Sports are about fun and competition and sometimes exercise.

part of the competition part would be breaking records.

Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by happymellon on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:48AM (#28113411)
Competition is about beating other people, not necessarily records.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by eecc on Monday August 09, 2021 @02:56AM (#28113439)
A record is a person that did very well in the past.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by bryanrasmussen on Monday August 09, 2021 @03:16AM (#28113523)
that's why I said part of - part of it is beating the people you are competing with right now but another part is beating the people who were there before you.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by amanaplanacanal on Monday August 09, 2021 @12:07PM (#28118605)
Sports in the Olympics are about Viewership and money. Falling records would probably contribute to that.
Re:Embarrassed by your Olympic javelin: did cavemen do it be... by inasio on Monday August 09, 2021 @01:07AM (#28112909)
There are also (lower) weight limits on bikes, bikes could be significantly lighter (also recumbent)