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Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by willis936 on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:58AM (#28038365)
This is assuming independent genesis. Panspermia has a lot of merit.
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by echelon on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:08PM (#28038505)
Panspermia is fascinating conjecture.

The preferred chirality of organic molecules could absolutely have arisen by chance, but it's an interesting to see this in meteorites.

On the unrelated subject of handedness, I saw an interesting thread on Twitter today [1] speaking about how we're starting to synthesize reverse chirality polymers and enzymes, most notably DNA and replication enzymes.

There are a lot of interesting implications.

You can't get rid of L-DNA without reverse DNase, leading to an accumulation of information and transcription. So they need to remake all the enzyme steroisomers.

That alone is interesting, but you can take it further to the limit and produce reverse biology that synthesizes reverse sugars that can't be metabolized by much of extant life [2]. Suddenly a lab-escaped reverse autotroph can out-compete all of us right-handed lifeforms because nothing can eat them. Bacteria, plankton, the entire food web collapses. When we have nothing left to fish or farm, we die too.

Never thought nanotech's grey goo was plausible. Now I see something that rhymes with it, and I could see it happening within our lifetimes.

It'd make a crazy MAD bioweapon on par with or potentially worse than nukes.

Wild tangent, sorry.

[1] https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1420952351968432130

[2] https://twitter.com/prawncis/status/1420982623048925187

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by bookofsand on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:58PM (#28041138)
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event.

> Such negative values occurring shortly after the GOE require a rapid reduction in primary productivity of >80%, although even larger reductions are plausible. Given that these data imply a collapse in primary productivity rather than export efficiency, the trigger for this shift in the Earth system must reflect a change in the availability of nutrients, such as phosphorus. Cumulatively, these data highlight that Earth’s GOE is a tale of feast and famine: A geologically unprecedented reduction in the size of the biosphere occurred across the end-GOE transition.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6717284

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by piyh on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:57PM (#28039275)
A MAD weapon like that just becomes an AD weapon. A nuclear lab leak kills under 1,000 people. A living weapon lab leak would kill (nearly) every other living thing.
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by wizzwizz4 on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:14PM (#28038587)
> because nothing can eat them

But I assume they're not immune-invulnerable.

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by echelon on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:15PM (#28038609)
Where did the reverse viruses that can bind to their cellular receptors and co-opt their reverse cellular metabolism evolve?

To be clear, evolution of viruses is probably inevitable. But on what time scale does it take for them to arrive ex nihilo? Millennia? Longer?

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by radicaldreamer on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:28PM (#28038799)
I'm getting similar vibes to out of control gene drives created with crispr...
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by nvader on Monday August 02, 2021 @11:31PM (#28045422)
But what do they eat?
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by echelon on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @01:13AM (#28045901)
Varies depending on the organism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbial_metabolism

Water, sunlight, carbon sources, phosphorous sources, nitrogen sources. And any additional think they have enzymes to break down and process. Advanced organisms could feed off complex organic molecules, but this isn't necessary.

The point is that with reverse chiral sugars, polymers, etc., they wouldn't be a meal for anything in the wild. (At least not one with nutritional value.) No predation and no competition leads to massive expansion, and they could exhaust resources that other necessary parts of the food web require.

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by nvader on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @02:46AM (#28046326)
Oh, I get it now. And then when they expire they deposit undigestable material in the soil, capturing carbon and eventually turning into coal. The dawn of the dextro-carboniferous period.
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by echelon on Tuesday August 03, 2021 @04:46PM (#28053956)
Bingo.

This would make a fantastic "phase one" alien bioweapon to aid in wiping out a planet's existing lifeforms and replace ecosystems with one better matching their own. Assuming post-biology aliens care about biology.

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by imglorp on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:25PM (#28040649)
Yes and there are two types of panspermia.

The first type is incidental: we've already encountered meteorites from Mars and the Moon, for example, so it's not hard to imagine life bearing material arriving that way.

The second would be intentional: either ET seeds planets or merely visits them with contaminated boots or probes.

Either way, we would pick up some DNA from offworld.

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by machiaweliczny on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:06PM (#28038482)
I think terdigrades might already be alien. How they evolved on earth?
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by superduperycomb on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:08PM (#28038509)
I believe if you look at their genetics they fit snugly within the tree of life
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by rozab on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:50PM (#28039164)
This is one of my favourite websites, and I share it all the time:

https://www.onezoom.org/life.html/@=111445?img=best_any&anim...

(hopefully that links to the right place)

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by bumby on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:33PM (#28038901)
I don’t want to speak for the OP but I read their comment as “why did they evolve certain features that wouldn’t have be reasonable given the evolutionary pressures of earth?” E.g., their ability to survive high levels of radiation or vacuum.

There’s some speculation that a large amount of their genetics were transferred from other animals.[1] I wonder how much this muddles the tracing through the evolutionary tree.

[1] https://www.pnas.org/content/112/52/15976.abstract

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by someguyorother on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:11PM (#28040459)
> E.g., their ability to survive high levels of radiation or vacuum.

If I recall correctly, the tardigrades (and extremophiles like D. radiodurans) have evolved to handle damage brought on by desiccation. As a fortunate side-effect, this general robustness also protects against radiation.

Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by andruby on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:27PM (#28038787)
What would be the odds that other planets/habitats have a similar "tree of life"? I don't know. Given the huge number of similarities in DNA, I'd say it's extremely small.
Re:Why extraterrestrial life may not seem alien by stefs on Monday August 02, 2021 @12:22PM (#28038732)
tardigrades might have some very cool properties, but nothing out of the ordinary.