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Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by paxys on Monday July 26, 2021 @07:57PM (#27967014)
The difference is that Facebook presented a solution in search of a problem. Even today, browsing through the Diem site, there's a ton of vague marketing speak and zero actual things I can do with it.

In contrast, "use this coin to buy anything on Amazon" is a massive product from the second it launches.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by scoopertrooper on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:03PM (#27967450)
What's wrong the coins I got issued from the federal reserve? I can already exchange them for things offered by Amazon and a whole bunch of other places. Why would I want to exchange them for a glorified Amazon gift card?
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by CoolGuySteve on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:42PM (#27967663)
It's so strange reading these kinds of comments from people who've never transacted in Canadian Tire Money. Fungible scrip coupons have already been successful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Tire_money

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by robjan on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:04PM (#27968188)
Gift cards and gift certificates are examples of scrip coupons
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by pricees on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:22PM (#27967549)
I would like to have thought BezosBucks, like the Forever Stamp, would have been inflation proof.
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by craftinator on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:50AM (#27969056)
> What's wrong the coins I got issued from the federal reserve?

They are owned by someone who doesn't understand how one thing can be "good" without another thing in the same category being "bad".

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by phasnox on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:23PM (#27968275)
Centralized. Manipulated. Unpredictable issuance. Subject to censorship.

Among a few.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by scoopertrooper on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:38AM (#27968682)
> Centralized. Manipulated.

There is widespread manipulation in the crypo market. The difference with crypto is that there are no regulations that even attempt to hinder it.

https://www.quora.com/Where-can-I-join-a-crypto-pump-and-dum...

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/lbzdn7/scam...

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Example-of-a-pump-and-du...

> Unpredictable issuance.

Perhaps in theory, but USD has proven to be a far less volatile store of value than Bitcoin and Etherium, which have both been through the equivalent of hyperinflation and hyperdeflation over the past decade.

> Subject to censorship.

Currency is not subject to censorship, such a thing would be impossible. Certain payment providers have refused to process payments to various individuals, but such a thing would be possible in the crypto space as well.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by herbst on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @05:45AM (#27970501)
If you look at a graph from 1 2 or 3 years for USD and Some popular cryptos it gets really obvious which one loses relative value and which one doubles or tripples value every other year.

USD is a horrible value storage in the last year's if you deal outside of USD

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by phasnox on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:09AM (#27969181)
> but USD has proven to be a far less volatile store of value than Bitcoin

If by less volatile you mean gradually losing value, I mean yeah.. But is that a better store of value?

> such a thing would be possible in the crypto space as well.

Nope, that is literally impossible with Bitcoin. Hitler could open up a shop, and no one could stop him from receiving payments.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by Lt_Riza_Hawkeye on Monday July 26, 2021 @10:34PM (#27967999)
Hey, FB employee here (views my own). I don't think Diem is necessarily in search of a problem:

- Other payment systems like PayPal/Venmo/Zelle are for P2P domestic use only - you can't send money cross-borders.

- Paypal/Venmo requires you to have a bank account. Diem doesn't, and so part of Diem's mission is to serve the un-banked.

- This is a little pedantic, but PayPal/Venmo/Zelle/Square Cash are closed ecosystems. You can't send money from one to the other, for example. Diem is a protocol that you can interact with using any wallet, not just Novi.

Not being paid to post this or anything. I just think Diem is not well advertised haha

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by craftinator on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:08AM (#27969169)
> I don't think Diem is necessarily in search of a problem.

I think the problem with Diem is not that it doesn't fill a market role, it's that the target market, in general, knows how evil Facebook is, and would prefer a "cleaner" alternative. The problem with doing dodgey stuff with user data for years and years is that you gain a reputation, and then even if a small subset of your massive super organization makes a really good pure product, that product still inherits the stench from the parent. We don't trust the Zuck, and until fairly recently the target market for Diem were almost entirely people tech savvy enough to understand the depths to which Facebook operates in.

Imagine if Google came out with a new crypto-coin, and with all the soul and creativity a bloated bureaucracy can muster, called it "GCoin", a "New way to shop and get tracked!". Now, many normal people would stay away from GCoin purely because they know it would be in the GGraveyard in two years, but the rest of the target market would think," Ya know, Google has been absolutely evil this last decade or so, building their business model around surveiling us and toying with our emotions to get us to buy useless shit, while slowly trading away any uniqueness they ever had for fun primary marketing colors in a thousand different patterns. I think I'll pass on this GCoin bullshit...". That's how we feel about Diem. Except possibly not quite as angry, because at least Facebook has given us a figurehead to hate, instead of the faceless, souless, primary colored evil that is Google.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by phasnox on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:21PM (#27968264)
Nope, the problem with Diem is it's creators do not seem to understand Bitcoins appeal: permissionless transfer of value.
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by deevolution on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:41PM (#27968371)
The solution already exists... there's thousands of crypto coins already. If fb hasn't released a coin yet at this point they never will. They're frozen in ice by the threat of regulatory crackdown.
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by herbst on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @05:47AM (#27970517)
It's easier to open a bank account than to make a Facebook account. Which I just assume is or will be necessary for Diem
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by filmgirlcw on Monday July 26, 2021 @08:16PM (#27967151)
Why is that a massive product? Genuine question. The areas I could see that being useful don’t have significant Amazon infrastructure anyway (and that infrastructure would need to be built up for a coin to be valuable), and in the US, Europe, Asia, I can’t see the benefit of an Amazon coin versus any other payment form.

But I’m genuinely curious, why is this a massive product for anything more than a weird form of money laundering?

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by iamben on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:09AM (#27970659)
More so if it's "use this coin to buy anything on Amazon and get 10% off all regular prices"
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by tantalor on Monday July 26, 2021 @08:01PM (#27967045)
I doubt sellers will want to accept it. You can't pay your taxes with Bezos-bucks.
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by toast0 on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:24PM (#27967559)
I assume when I buy something from an Amazon merchant, Amazon pays them in their local currency, regardless of which currency I chose to pay with. If they've got BezoBucks now, I assume paying with those still sends USD to US vendors and UKP to UK vendors and EUR to European vendors, etc.

I still don't see a big upside for Amazon, but merchants wouldn't need to accept it. And of course, Amazon could incentivize merchants to use it. Maybe if you take it, you get 1% more value than if you take USD and spend it on the site/AWS.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by davidcbc on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:28PM (#27967577)
What value do BezoBucks add in this scenario? They can already convert USD to other currencies to pay their vendors. Just like Facebook's cryptocurrency it's just a solution in search of a problem.
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by toast0 on Monday July 26, 2021 @10:17PM (#27967888)
Well if I'm a small Amazon merchant, like maybe I just sell my used books, and I'm an Amazon customer too, if Amazon could send me $100 for my monthly sales, and I'm planning to spend $101 on Amazon this month anyway...

If they send me 101 Bezobucks instead, I'm happy because they gave me $101 of value; they're happy because for that $101 purchase, they got $100 value; if I paid with a rewards credit card, they would probably get $98-$99.

Why it would need to be a cryptocoin thing instead of just a gift card/credit, I don't know. Cryptocoins are hot for reasons that don't resonate with me. Maybe some way around gift card laws, and if they can back into foreign remittances without needing a money transmital license, it could be useful.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by dontblink on Monday July 26, 2021 @10:09PM (#27967828)
Hedge against the dollar backed by commodities effectively.

Imagine if the dollar fluctuated widely (say because of inflation) but BezosBucks does not. Your buying power stays the same (while BezosBucks becomes more expensive to buy into over time).

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by deevolution on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:35PM (#27968333)
You can't pay taxes in bezos-bucks right now, but you maybe able to in the future https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-11/miami-may...
Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by rualca on Monday July 26, 2021 @08:11PM (#27967108)
Amazon already have an internal currency in the form of its store card.

I doubt sellers would say no to a sale if a client offered to purchase it with a blockchain store card.

Re:Amazon denies report of accepting Bitcoin as payment by WalterSear on Monday July 26, 2021 @08:58PM (#27967419)
There's no point to using a blockchain in this scenario, and lots of good reasons not to.