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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by odiroot on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:15AM (#27930882)
> how deeply associated dense, urban environments are with random violence and crime. > If I could live in an environment like Berlin, I might consider it

You made me chuckle. Berlin is heavily associated with crime. There's multiple better and safer cities to live in Germany.

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by ben_w on Friday July 23, 2021 @11:01AM (#27931437)
Associated I can believe, but it doesn’t feel bad to be in it.

Don’t get me wrong, when I was in a tiny quiet village in the UK I once came back from the local grocery shop to find my front door had bounced open instead of locking itself when I’d left and absolutely nothing happened as a result of this mistake, and I don’t expect the same here; and sure, Berlin has a lot of graffiti, but I don’t feel fundamentally unsafe in even the most loudly afearing places like Görlitzer Park or Alexanderplatz — I don’t even get why the latter is on the list of places people talk about when suggesting danger.

Really, the worst I experience here is the fire brigade and ambulance sirens (and, confusingly, one time where the sirens were on a van marked “Netzgesellschaft entstörungsdienst”, which both Google and my own limited German think is something close to “Network company anti-jamming service”, which feels implausible).

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by nisa on Friday July 23, 2021 @12:01PM (#27932191)
Netzgesellschaft Entstörungsdienst: It's an emergency service for gas leaks[1] - it may feel implausible but it's totally common in Germany to have a "Netzgesellschaft" or some other very generic name like "Wasserverband" (water organization).

1: https://www.nbb-netzgesellschaft.de/ueber-die-nbb/entstoerun...

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by ben_w on Friday July 23, 2021 @12:27PM (#27932542)
Thanks! :)

(What felt implausible was my translation rather than anything else, and indeed you showed that it was an error on my part).

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by rufus_foreman on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:12PM (#27936712)
>> Berlin is heavily associated with crime

Can't find 2020 numbers, but all of Germany had 720 murders in 2019. Last year Chicago, which is the main city in one metro area of one state in the US had 774.

Chicago is around 2.5 million people, Germany is 84 million people. From an inner-city US perspective, violent crime in Germany basically does not exist.

Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by refurb on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:35PM (#27936938)
I assume people are worried about more than just murder?
Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by rufus_foreman on Friday July 23, 2021 @08:01PM (#27937140)
I know I am. Murder is a good proxy for other violent crime though, since it almost always gets reported, and other violent crimes don't.