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Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by nostromo on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:48PM (#27909554)
She's suing Nieman Lab because she claimed they lied about what she actually said.

Yes, I'm sure she would love to sue the university too. However she likely doesn't have a case there.

I hope she wins the lawsuit because they sloppily doxxed her and broke the terms of service of Disqus in doing so.

> Viola acknowledged writing most of the posts. But she denied being behind the anti-Muslim screed. That was critical to Sorokin’s decision to allow the libel and defamation part of Viola’s suit to proceed. The former professor “has plausibly alleged that Benton may have been negligent in his failure to verify that she was the author,” the judge wrote. He also took note of how Benton managed to discover and reveal her identity. Viola wrote her comments “based on the promise that her user information would be used for ‘moderation purposes only,’ which was violated when Benton posted her information on Twitter,” Sorokin wrote.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by microtherion on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:42PM (#27914014)
"sloppily doxxing" is not the standard for defamation in the US. In many cases, the standard amounts to "actual malice", which means pretty much that she'd have the prove the defendants KNEW she did not write said screed.

Have you considered that if the standard for defamation were actually as you hope it is/should be, she'd get about a microsecond to enjoy her victory over Nieman Lab before being crushed by Seth Rich's family over her rumormongering in that case?

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by nostromo on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:18PM (#27921638)
That's not the standard, which is why the judge allowed it to move forward. It's literally mentioned in the article.

Being sloppy is indeed enough to be sued. If I started telling people "microtherion is a Nazi" - you could sue me without proving I knew you are not a Nazi.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by microtherion on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:43PM (#27923318)
> the judge allowed it to move forward

… on a Motion to Dismiss, which means literally "if we take everything the plaintiff says as the gospel truth, and dismiss anything the defendant says, would the plaintiff have a case?"

> It's literally mentioned in the article.

The judge allowed some of the numerous claims to proceed to the next trial stage, while dismissing others outright.

If you follow the article's link to the ruling, you will find that actual malice is literally the standard applied to many of the counts, which were indeed dismissed at the Motion to Dismiss stage: "mere negligence or deviation from professional standards is insufficient to allege actual malice".

Whether that standard applies to the libel charge depends on whether the plaintiff is a public figure, which apparently in that state is never decided in the Motion to Dismiss stage. However, the next step is generally a Motion for Summary Judgment, and odds are good that she will be found a (Limited, at least) public figure, at which point the Libel, Defamation, Emotional Distress, and Tortious Interference counts are history.

> you could sue me

Anyone could sue anyone for anything. Would I win? I doubt it.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by afavour on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:52PM (#27909612)
Yes, but I was responding to this quote by the OP:

> I hope her lawsuit is very successful. She was clearly targeted, ostracized, and fired for speaking her mind.

Those two statements have no connection to each other, since the lawsuit has nothing to do with her being targeted, ostracized and fired, instead (as you say) it's about her being defamed.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:43PM (#27910308)
yeah but the organization she is suing was the cause of revealing her identity, leading to her being targeted, ostracized and fired.

actually maybe the targeted is in reference to Nieman.

I guess I see not a legal connection, but the kind of connection that people often make in informal speech.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by mmcwilliams on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:01PM (#27910567)
Is violating a website or platforms' ToS grounds for a third parties to sue you?
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by shkkmo on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:52PM (#27912674)
I believe the potential grounds are libel, not any TOS violation.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by colinmhayes on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:49PM (#27910388)
Doxxing isn't illegal.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:25PM (#27910883)
… and this is not a criminal case, but a civil one.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by colinmhayes on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:45PM (#27911138)
Doxxing is not a civil violation either. There is nothing wrong with doxxing people.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by kbelder on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:39PM (#27911849)
Civil and Criminal violations are not the only things that are wrong.

For good reason, many wrong things are completely legal, and still should be condemned.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by colinmhayes on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:53PM (#27912028)
Of course, but that's not the case here. Doxxing this woman made Temple a better place to learn, and hopefully it made some people think twice before posting racist comments. I think this was the perfect outcome.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by spoonjim on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:41PM (#27912574)
Did it make Temple a better place to learn? How can you know that? Was anyone having problems with her before? Is academia's march towards a highly policed speech environment a good thing for students? Even marginalized students?
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by afavour on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:07PM (#27912815)
> Did it make Temple a better place to learn? How can you know that?

If you are a journalism professor and are unable to recognise disinformation when you see it (e.g. Seth Rich conspiracy theories) then it calls your job competency into serious question. Yes, the firing would make Temple a better place to learn.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by spoonjim on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:12PM (#27913792)
I saw one of the most accomplished physicists in the world unable to solve a (hard) first year Physics problem in Office Hours. He did it three times and got three different wrong answers, threw the chalk down and walked away and asked us to come back tomorrow. Does that mean he’s not qualified for his job?
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by MauroIksem on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:29PM (#27913922)
Eh yes?
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by spoonjim on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @11:19PM (#27914949)
He was one of the three best teachers of any subject that I've ever had.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by tobr on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:49PM (#27912652)
By what metric is academia marching towards a highly policed speech environment, though? I think that’s a line of attack against academia that has been parroted for decades, by referencing anecdotes such as this news story, while ignoring less newsworthy forces pushing in the opposite direction.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by spoonjim on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:15PM (#27912873)
What are the forces pushing in the opposite direction? If you look at what happened to Erika Christakis or Bret Weinstein (try to ignore everything that Weinstein has become since then) it's hard to say that academia is not more highly policed than previously. Of course in some ways this is good, in that I recall some professors mercilessly ridiculing some students in front of the whole class, and of course professors having sex with some students which was always terrible but had no consequences until a few years ago.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by joshuamorton on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:56PM (#27913204)
This depends on exactly what you mean, but you can equally look at Nicole Hannah Jones for either the "reverse", or for an example of speech policing, but by the "other side".

> try to ignore everything that Weinstein has become since then

I feel like this is difficult to do. I'd sort of argue that "we caught a bad faith actor early" is a good thing. Maybe you could argue that Bret wouldn't be what he is today if he weren't fired, but I don't really find that convincing.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by op00to on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:44AM (#27917388)
Please explain “marginalized students”.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by nostromo on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:49PM (#27911193)
They violated Disqus's terms of service, which is a civil violation.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by shadowgovt on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:42PM (#27911893)
I'm pretty sure violating the TOS isn't a civil violation.

It's a violation of the TOS. The recourse is Disqus cuts the offender's access (either the individual or the institution) for violating the TOS.

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by snowwrestler on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:03PM (#27911377)
Sure but it’s not Disqus that is filing the suit. I’d be surprised if she has standing to claim damages based on an agreement she was not a party to.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by ALittleLight on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:57AM (#27915861)
The article explains she is suing for defamation. Google explains defamation has four elements:

1) a false statement purporting to be fact (he says she wrote what she says she didn't)

2) publication or communication of that statement to a third person (yes, the doxing)

3) fault amounting to at least negligence (maybe debatable, but he accused her of writing something knowing only that an account registered to her posted it. He never asked her about it and has already admitted fault in accusing her without asking.)

4) damages (yes, her career)

Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by colinmhayes on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:53PM (#27911242)
Sure, you can complain about that. But you said she was sloppily doxxed, which doesn't really seem to be the case. She was properly doxxed.
Re:A Twitter thread sparked a lawsuit against Nieman Lab’s f... by dumbfounder on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:11PM (#27914516)
Not according to the lawsuit, she claims she didn’t make some of the comments. If that is true, then it was sloppy.