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Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by bko on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:05PM (#27776388)
> On average, in certain locations. In others, not so much. And let's not forget surge pricing. Or people living, or wanting to get to a place, along low-profit routes. Or people with disabilities.

You can always take a regular cab. Low profit routes were pretty much impossible to get pre-Uber. I am almost certain that Uber is more likely to obey disability laws than "Joe's taxi" with a few cars.

> Depends. Regular taxis tended to cost a bit more, but had much lower variance.

My experience with cabs is calling a dispatcher while in route and getting a price. I was charged $30 for a two mile trip to the train station before. No reasoning. Also they were much less likely to pick up minority passengers, or people in poorer neighborhoods. Also "credit card machine was broken" very often. Also you don't know the route the driver will take. I guess my experience with cabs pre-Uber was different from yours, but it was incredibly high variance.

> That seems implausible at best.

Many places you had a gatekeeper. You can't just ride a taxi, and would have to purchase a medallion or sign on to an existing vendor where there's much less competition. They would also be much less flexible with hours

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by lazyasciiart on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:01PM (#27776921)
> I am almost certain that Uber is more likely to obey disability laws than "Joe's taxi" with a few cars.

Knowing the lawsuits from people who've been refused rides from a regular Uber because they have a service dog, or their wheelchair 'probably won't fit' (I think I can tell you whether the wheelchair I usually put in the trunk of a car is likely to fit in your trunk, thank you), I am not.

But there are also specific accessible taxis. How do I call an Uber that will take a powered wheelchair?

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by Scoundreller on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:39PM (#27778503)
UberWAV (wheelchair accessible vehicle) is a thing in “select markets”: https://www.uber.com/us/en/ride/uberwav/

No idea how it works in practice but it’s a thing in Toronto.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by bko on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:49PM (#27778582)
Because people can actually sue Uber and they can get a lot of money and publicity. You can't sue Joe's taxi. I mean you could try, but I don't think people aren't suing because they are follow all applicable laws and regulations to a tee
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by lazyasciiart on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:01PM (#27778668)
You don’t have to sue Joe’s taxi, you complain to the regulators and they can lose their taxi license. Generally people aren’t suing because it’s expensive and a giant pain to do, which is why having a regulatory body that will handle this stuff is better for consumers than relying on court action.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by subpixel on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:17PM (#27777078)
> Low profit routes were pretty much impossible to get pre-Uber.

In cities, that's absurd - car services existed for decades serving just this part of the market, and they let you schedule in advance!

In the suburbs and exurbs, probably less so, but this is where everyone has a car as a prerequisite for living in a house with a multi-car garage.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by xeromal on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:44PM (#27777371)
Something something rose-tinted glasses.

You could schedule in advance. Now having them actually show up? That was debatable. lol

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by subpixel on Thursday July 08, 2021 @09:52PM (#27779714)
Hand to heart I’ve had more Ubers not show up (more than 5) than I did car services over several decades of NYC living. Worse they claimed I didn’t show up.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by xeromal on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:06PM (#27780120)
I would posit that New York city is probably the best example you could come up with in the United States. Pretty much everywhere else Uber is supreme
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by ebrenes on Friday July 09, 2021 @01:52PM (#27786455)
I don't live in New York City, but when I was there Uber was the absolute best option for our use case, because they were the only option that allowed us to ask for a toddler carseat as an extra. It was a game changer and preferred that over taxis and other car services.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by scythe on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:20PM (#27778802)
The first Uber I ever ordered was after I had scheduled a car with one of these services and it didn't show up.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by idiot900 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:08PM (#27777640)
Since they aren't taxis, car services can charge enough there is no such thing as a low profit route for them.

In cities, there were were either no taxis around in certain neighborhoods, or they simply would not come at all even if you called and asked the taxi company and the dispatcher told you they had sent a driver. Both of these I experienced personally.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by KingMachiavelli on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:30PM (#27778874)
> In the suburbs and exurbs, probably less so, but this is where everyone has a car as a prerequisite for living [...]

Sure but that doesn't work very well for when you want to spend the weekends drinking. The cities in the US that have grown the most over the last 10 or 20 years are still very much suburban and lack good public transportation. The lack of low cost and convenient transportation services quite literally resulted in fatal accidents.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by gentleman11 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:31PM (#27776630)
The purpose of the medallions, in theory, is to improve the chances that the average cab driver can make a living wage. Can the average Uber driver live a middle class income from this “gig”?

> When accounting for the ride-sharing company’s commissions and fees, vehicle expenses and a modest health insurance package, Uber drivers end up earning just $9.21 in hourly wages, according to a new study from the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning nonprofit think tank based in Washington, D.C.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-how-much-uber-driv...

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by bko on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:56PM (#27776877)
> The purpose of the medallions, in theory, is to improve the chances that the average cab driver can make a living wage

The problem with that is that there is a supply of cab drivers and demand for cabs that drives the price. If you put in a medallion system, the price of the medallion will be bid up such that the cab driver's wage is in line with the market wage. You can't just wave a magic wand and set prices without unintended consequences. So what happened was cab drivers had to take out massive debt to finance these medallions or work for some middle man that is essentially a financing arm. And when the price collapsed, they were stuck with this debt and some even got bailed out by taxpayers.

I wish Uber was around when I was younger. I had a car and a lot of spare time. I would have gladly accepted a low wage if I had a few hours to kill. No other job affords that flexibility which is probably why its so popular.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by Dylan16807 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:14PM (#27778270)
You can't instantly prevent all unintended consequences, but making it so you can't resell a medallion and you can't subcontract it (or harsh limits on subcontracting) would fix a lot of those issues.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by compsciphd on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:47PM (#27776780)
the average cabby can't buy a medalion, he therefore has to pay a fee to someone who owns a car with a medalion to rent the car for a period of time (+ probably paying the owner a percentage of his take). As opposed to using his own car and keeping everything that uber lets him to keep which might be less than what the medalion owner would have taken. hence, increase in money into pocket for the uber/lyft driver.

with that said, this is all supposition, i just find it a reasonable argument.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by goldcd on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:10PM (#27777010)
I believe they could - and they took out quite horrifically large loans to do so.

It maybe made sense though, as your payment was your license to work, and selling the medalion on was your retirement plan. Uber screwed this up - but my feelings are mixed.

Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by llampx on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:49PM (#27777419)
The sharecropper / feudal lord model.
Re:We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 v... by gremlinsinc on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:57PM (#27778646)
The American Dream Model.