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Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by WalterBright on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @11:30PM (#27757033)
How do we know what those fundamental rights are? By observing what happens to societies that have various formulations of rights. The societies that thrive are closer to the mark than societies that are mired in misery, despair, and death.
Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @03:06PM (#27764675)
You neglected to mention any of these fundamental rights. Can you tell me one of them so I can debate you that it’s not fundamental?
Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by WalterBright on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @07:49PM (#27767077)
> one

I'll give you three: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by TedDoesntTalk on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:27AM (#27768713)
None of those except life is “part of the innate nature of human beings”.

Death is also part of our innate nature, but you did not mention that one.

Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by WalterBright on Thursday July 08, 2021 @12:40PM (#27774464)
When someone enslaves you, then, you have no right to complain about it.
Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by Datagenerator on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:31AM (#27757752)
The ten commandments as benchmark and foundation applies to many common situations.
Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by ben_w on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @04:44AM (#27758822)
There are at least 8 ways to divide up the “ten commandments” passages in Exodus and Deuteronomy into a total of 14 commandments, the Quran has a different set (not being a religious scholar I can’t meaningfully assert how different, given linguistic drift and translation challenges).

Bushido (or the form of it on Wikipedia) has a fairly different and also interesting set.

Anton LaVey (Church of Satan) has an interesting, albeit stereotypically American, eleven.

The philosophers in this list seem to focus on commandments of rationality more than morality, but that’s not something I find hugely surprising: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_the_Ten_Comman...

Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by dredmorbius on Friday July 09, 2021 @11:55AM (#27785010)
The majority of the commandments are not rights but restrictions, the "thou shall not"s. Even the positively-phrased commandments are obligations ("honour thy father and mother...").

These are not rights.

Re:European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private... by WalterBright on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @04:20AM (#27758692)
The Ten Commandments are not a list of rights. It doesn't even say you have the right to not be a slave.