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Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by cousin_it on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:55AM (#27514612)
> The fact is whenever quick upward mobility has been possible anywhere for a large number of people, it has been built upon slavery, colonialism and/or cheap imported labour.

Which of these was responsible for China's rise from poverty?

Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by altacc on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:07AM (#27514798)
All of them.

It's certainly true that there are other important factors and I don't think the parent poster's list is exhaustive, but these are crucial factors in China's current rise.

Slavery: we know there are factories inside their "reeducation camps"

Colonialism: Internally, Han Chinese are encouraged to migrate & take over areas of the country where other ethnics groups have traditionally been the majority. Abroad, China is involved in the modern form of colonialism by having direct influence in other countries via economic control.

Cheap imported labour: Definitely cheap labour and I'd say it's a large enough country to consider internal migration as regionally imported labour, with millions migrating from the countryside to factory cities.

Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by mc32 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:15AM (#27514918)
Chinas economic rise predates those forays into modern re-education camps (different from the cultural revolution ones).

It’s known that the use of slavery or slave labor stunts growth rather than enhances it because rather than innovating you use “subsidized”manual labor while others are innovating and progressing and using less expensive labor (mechanization, automation).

Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by renewiltord on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:19AM (#27515880)
This is revisionism. China’s rise is a classical story of pre-industrial to manufacturing economy (and then partly services economy) transition.

China’s policies are probably the largest force for human happiness in the last two decades simply because of the sheer scale of people uplifted from poverty through industrialization.

The fact that they’re a totalitarian dictatorship means that they stand opposed to us but they are not incompetent.

China’s regime is ridiculously popular for a reason: It’s the economy, stupid.

Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by est on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:32AM (#27515246)
except China "annexed" those regions in the 50s which had a shockingly slow economical growth and had a famine at that time.

And China setup those "camps" and had a local GDP stagnation. Before the camps there was double digit growth every year and then terror attack came and everything went downhill.

Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by j-pb on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:57AM (#27514651)
All of the above.

- Chinese sweatshops

- Chinese "investments" in africa

- Chinese anexation of surrounding territories

Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by hawk_ on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:58AM (#27514674)
It wasn't imported in case of China only technically. The rural to urban route was "imported" labor that mostly made city dwellers rich.
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by mc32 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:10AM (#27514846)
I don’t think that’s imported. It’s complicated by the hukou system, but all these people are Chinese, share the same culture (and to a great extent language).

In addition, these people made a calculus where staying in their ancestral homes meant certain poverty and moving to the city meant immediate increase in income as well as better prospects for the future. The drawback is/was poor working conditions, but I’m not sure they are worse than those back in their an ancestral homelands.

Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by exporectomy on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:24AM (#27515085)
Those migrant workers in China are literally getting a better life through hard work or at least a better life for their children. They're not exploited, they're exploiting the money being offered them by the wealthier city people. Their work might not be very attractive to westerners, but neither was our ancestor's work, yet it still improved their and their descendants' lives.
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by merpnderp on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:29AM (#27515171)
So you're saying people born in poor farming communities are being taken advantage of by the massive creation of higher paying jobs in the cities?
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by Aunche on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:38AM (#27516157)
Ok. But what about the formerly rural workers? Their standard of living has dramatically risen as well.
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by x1ph0z on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:56AM (#27514631)
Cheap labour?
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by freefal on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:57AM (#27514641)
Imported from where?
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by rerx on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:59AM (#27514692)
Rural, poorer areas of the country?
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by stickyricky on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:31AM (#27516914)
Really stretching the definition of imported.
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by merpnderp on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:14AM (#27514899)
Or the billions of others pulled out of poverty by the miracle of free trade.
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by qmmmur on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:45AM (#27516262)
Can you elaborate?
Re:Survey shows people no longer believe working hard will l... by belatw on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:57AM (#27514658)
Slavery?