Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by TeMPOraL on Monday June 07, 2021 @11:28AM
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I think it should be a standard to have hardware come with a full suite of tests that can be accessed by anyone, without any kind of login. Otherwise, repair shops will keep asking for full access.
In my case, many years ago, I got asked by a phone repair shop to backup the phone and wipe it before handing it over unlocked. My understanding was, they had no good way of doing proper diagnosis and after-repair testing without full access to the system.
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by toomuchtodo on Monday June 07, 2021 @11:35AM
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Like a password enabled BIOS option to allow for booting off of external storage with no access to onboard storage provided? “Valet mode” if you will.
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by splistud on Monday June 07, 2021 @11:45AM
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Valet mode! Excellent.
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by grishka on Monday June 07, 2021 @11:37AM
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Macs have an "Apple hardware test" you can boot into. And you could as well just boot from an external drive to run all kinds of diagnostics.
Phones however...
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by pilsetnieks on Monday June 07, 2021 @06:43PM
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There is a diagnostic tool for iPhones/iPads, too. It's just not accessible to the general public.
https://www.ifixit.com/News/33593/heres-the-secret-repair-to...
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by toast0 on Monday June 07, 2021 @01:57PM
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Androids usually have some magic buttons to get into a bootloader prompt; you could have a diagnostic in there, perhaps.
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by grishka on Monday June 07, 2021 @02:19PM
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You can boot into fastboot (a barebones flashing and unlocking mode implemented by the bootloader itself) and recovery (a real kernel + minimal UI on top to apply updates and wipe). From fastboot mode, you can boot into an arbitrary image, but that obviously requires an unlocked bootloader. Unlocking the bootloader almost always performs a wipe "to protect data".
In principle, it should be possible to have a diagnostic mode the same way recovery is implemented. But there are no device I know of that have this.
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by michaelt on Monday June 07, 2021 @12:10PM
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I see what you mean, but that sounds like a gigantic attack surface for all the companies that sell oppressive regimes tools for hacking into arrested human rights activists' phones.
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by LorenPechtel on Monday June 07, 2021 @01:45PM
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It depends on how it's designed. It wouldn't be that expensive to add a second memory chip. Provide some way to boot to the alternate, when the alternate is running the primary isn't even powered up. Zero attack surface.
Re:Apple pays out millions to student after repair techs sha...
by Lammy on Monday June 07, 2021 @12:46PM
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> If the repair is finished and the tech can get to the login/pin screen then the job is done.
Not entirely https://www.macrumors.com/2018/09/17/iphone-calibration-proc...
If it's a software issue then maybe they do legitimately need a password but i would never hand one over without very careful consideration. And, strange hands on the keyboard of my laptop or phone would be watched very very closely at all times.
I good app would be one that disables the network stack, bluetooth, and cell modem with a separate secure pin.