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Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by radec on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:27AM (#27377230)
I'm glad others are shocked by that $60/day on food. I would say food takes up the largest percentage of my expenses and $60 is easily 5 days worth of food for two.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by Closi on Thursday June 03, 2021 @02:27AM (#27377857)
The $60 is laughably high, but the value of the perk of $400 a month might also be too low considering part of the appeal is presumably that it all gets looked after for you and you don’t have to prep food or even think about your meals (the value of having all your meals cooked for you isn’t the same as the value of the ingredients).
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by throwaway2037 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:44AM (#27382140)
I read a bunch of comments in this branch, and I think yours nails it. Initially, I saw 60 USD per day and laughed. Thought to myself: "Ok, they will all be overweight in 1 yr -- like junior bankers!" Then, I realised the labour costs are pretty high, so 60 USD per day might be too low. It might be closer to 100 USD in "value" per day for Google to provide all your meals.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by stjohnswarts on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:42AM (#27377297)
Lol I spend about 5-10$ a day on food. Where do these people eat at lol
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by Cookingboy on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:34AM (#27378225)
Can $5-10 a day get you food with this kind of quality and variety?

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-free-food-google-cafe...

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by joeberon on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:15AM (#27378462)
If you are eating that every day then you are destroying the beauty of food for yourself. That level of food should be a treat, not your "daily driver"
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by eliseumds on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:22AM (#27393894)
Pretty common for me, but I've mostly lived in places with a huge variety of fresh ingredients. That "level of food" is actually not that high in places like Barcelona, Lisbon, Sao Paulo, Sydney, SF, LA, Guangzhou, Bangkok, etc. 60USD/day (~1300USD per month) is not that much compared to how much FAANG employees are making. At the end of the day it's a matter of priority. Tons of people spend more than that on alcohol/cigarette/drugs/cars.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by megous on Thursday June 03, 2021 @06:41AM (#27379318)
Per person, yes. You'll have to cook it yourself though.

You'll be able to make it healthier though, and tune it exactly to what you like.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by radec on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:14AM (#27381663)
I think so. I buy bulk (15-50lb bags) organic grains, legumes, flour, seeds. Makes it more work to calculate per meal but it's pretty cheap. I get a lot of verity but you do have to be creative and it helps if you are fast at cooking.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by AlotOfReading on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:57AM (#27377379)
Going to guess SF, where those are not overly expensive prices for eating out with a drink at each meal.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by stjohnswarts on Thursday June 03, 2021 @01:03AM (#27377408)
I like cooking and tend to prep on a Sunday, and then midweek on Wednesday if I'm bored. I live in Austin, TX. I don't usually eat out at all except the occasional outing with friends. Of course I'll splurge on the weekend depending on what's going on. That said I tend to eat the "zone diet" that stuck with me even after I lost a bunch of weight on it. It isn't particularly "hard" to find food to fit that scheme. Of course you have to not mind reheating food :) . I'm a fairly rugged individual and don't really need froufrou food every day https://www.tasteofhome.com/collection/meal-prep-recipes-wee...
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by papito on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:37AM (#27378576)
The biggest injustice in life is that when you are young, food is just fuel to get through the day. You can eat all of it and you don't care if it's good.

When you get older, you start to understand food, and you are willing to pay more for it, but now you have to count calories.

Can I survive on $10 a day? I did it on $3 a DAY when my parents were on food stamps, but I am not that crazy about going back to the "franks, rice, and ketchup" menu.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by KingOfCoders on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:57AM (#27377382)
Same here. $60 is basically our two-people weekly shopping.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by Cookingboy on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:23AM (#27378148)
And those two people likely don't eat remotely as well as Facebook or Google employees.

Even if you value your labor/time to cook to be worth of zero dollars, when I was at Google my cafe had fresh seafood (a rotation of different types of fish, scallops, shrimps, mussel, crab, etc) and good quality regular meat dish (I particularly liked the skirt steak with guacamole), great vegan/vegetarian options, in-house made desserts including fresh made chocolate truffles every day prepared by the chef.

And that's just lunch, at one cafe, not including breakfast and dinner and options at the other 3 dozens cafes on campus.

If you can recreate all of that for two people with a $60/week budget, then kudos to you. I know I can't.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by leipert on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:42AM (#27378277)
> those two people likely don't eat remotely as well

You then mention chocolate truffles. Personally if I had my employer providing ridiculous good food for free, I’ll likely live less healthy because I will eat those nice unhealthy things every day.

If I am prepping my own food I have complete control over what I buy and can choose _not_ to buy unhealthy things.

Also in my experience a reason why food prepared by a chef tastes so good: more fat used.

I assume that Google and Facebook canteens (well that’s what they are) are better than the ones offered by companies here in Germany, but I think I would still gain weight.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by KingOfCoders on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:33AM (#27379677)
"And those two people likely don't eat remotely as well as Facebook or Google employees."

That probably depends on your cultural background.

Whenever I was in the US and worked for large tech companies I found the food too fat, too sweet, (interestingly same things like Kellogs are totally different in the US than in Europe), too much artifical flavor, too much cheese, too much toppings, large unhealthy portions.

The water and Cola tasted like Chlorine and were undrinkable - I guess you don't taste it when you grow up with that taste.

I had good food here an there, especially great - and expensive - steaks in NYC and once the best fish tacos in the world on a beach in San Diego, but overall the food wasn't to my liking. I was dissapointed by the food in SF, I had very high hopes from hearing all the good things but it was just average.

Food which I did like more than the food for "those two people" in general was the food in the South of France, in Sardinia, Corsica and Rome, desserts of the Middle East, in Japan and Vietnam - also Copenhagen is so underrated concerning food.

The food for "those two people" tastes natural, has no artifical flavorings and is healthy.

So it probably depends on your cultural background, as I've said.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by throwaway2037 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:48AM (#27382196)
Zurich has one of Google's largest offices in Europe. I doubt the food is as oily or over-sweetened as Silicon Valley. (And yes, broadly, I agree that US prepared food is mostly over the top on oil/salt/sugar.) It would be nice to hear from Googlers who have visited more than one office and its canteen.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by KingOfCoders on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:47AM (#27383129)
My mistake, I assumed the thread was about the US in general, I hear what you say.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by somesoftdev on Thursday June 03, 2021 @04:04AM (#27378414)
I used to work for Google for few years and I did gain some weight - just like many of my coworkers did. The food was delicious and looked great so I was eating too much overall and did not pay attention to the healthy meat vs vegetables balance.

For the last five years we're cooking most of our meals at home, maybe go out or order food once or twice a month. The food we cook isn't as exotic, nicely looking or sophisticated as the food served at Google, but it is tasty, fresh, healthy and the groceries are pretty cheap. And despite being older, my blood results are better now than when I was leaving Google.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by dncornholio on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:34AM (#27378909)
You would be amazed at the quality of fresh food you can buy in the local stores. there's a good chance the potato you're eating for 5 dollar in the restaurant is the same one that's in your cellar which costed 5 cent
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by II2II on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:55AM (#27380520)
> Even if you value your labor/time to cook to be worth of zero dollars

I understand what you're saying, but still cringed at that statement. Eating well and, by extension, cooking is hardly something I would value at $0/hour and I find it mildly insulting that someone would devalue the time I dedicate to preparing meals.

If you don't like cooking and would rather dedicate some of your income to having someone else do it for you, please frame it in that way. It recognizes it is your own decision and comes off as less judgmental of others.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by throwaway675309 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:21PM (#27383633)
He did come off as a little harsh but he's not entirely wrong depending on how you value your time and priorities. for the record it is perfectly possible to eat healthy without having to spend(waste) time cooking. I steam vegetables, eat fruit, and eat a lot of lean chicken and sardines.

I can definitely relate to him because I hate spending time cooking, I don't like the prep, I don't like the drudge work, and I don't like to have to clean up afterwards. I have a finite lifespan and I don't wanna waste any of it on things that I fundamentally do not enjoy, particularly if it's entirely avoidable.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by 21bits on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:28AM (#27381890)
"As well" is subjective and your presuming those two people want to eat like that. I don't. I enjoy talapia, chicken breast, white rice, and Fiber One on a daily basis. I rotate in broccoli and peas, and enjoy the occasional Honey Bun, chocolate, and bowl of Cocoa Pebbles.

But the best part of the day is the very first fresh ground coffee with real sugar and real cream in the morning. You just can't beat it.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by daddylongstroke on Friday June 04, 2021 @10:19AM (#27393858)
Curious where you live where you can get real cream legally? Are you milking your own goats or cows?
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by antb123 on Saturday June 05, 2021 @10:48AM (#27405504)
Most employees in Paris get lunch coupons at work.. I guess they may eat better than FAANG employees

Also fasting is better for you than eating all the time.

Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by sepin4 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @09:52AM (#27381359)
You don't factor the electricity/water for cooking & cleaning and the time spent doing it(calculate it by the hourly rate of a mid-range cook assuming you are there).
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by ir123 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @06:26AM (#27379232)
My total expenses for groceries and vegetables is less than $60 for a full month in India.
Re:Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starti... by throwaway2037 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:50AM (#27382219)
Why was this downvoted? It's useful anecdata. Thank you to share.

At wet markets in China/HK/TW/SE Asia, you might be able to eat for a month on 60 USD.