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Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by lostgame on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:26PM (#27362264)
Thank you for saying this.

Honestly - it's not even the i3, i5, i7, i9 thing. It's the fact that two i5s, etc; can be ludicrously different in terms of performance from one another because of the sub-generations within the named generations.

Yes - it's ridiculous that I could buy an i7 ten years ago, buy an i7 today, and yet - of course - they are absolutely nothing close to each other in terms of performance.

IIRC the Pentium line did not make this mistake. (Though the Celeron line could be very confusing, if I recall correctly.)

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by caspper69 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:31PM (#27362310)
To play devil’s advocate, I can buy a Corvette today that is nothing like the one from ten years ago too.

In fact, lots of things are like this.

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by NoSorryCannot on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:42PM (#27362417)
Almost everyone knows that the model year is part of the, idk, "minimal tuple" for identifying vehicles, though, and you can count on it always appearing in e.g. advertisements.

In CPU land, the architecture codename or process node might be part of such a "minimal tuple" but these are frequently omitted by OEMs and retailers in their advertising materials.

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by throw-away_42 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:11PM (#27362665)
2009 C6 Corvette ZR1: 0-60 in 3.3 seconds 2019 C7 Corvette ZR1: 0-60 in 3.2 seconds
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by bluedino on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:54PM (#27362995)
I have always hated 0-60 because it depends greatly on transmission shift points, driver ability, rear end ratio, and most of all traction, which OEM street tires have little of.

Let’s go to a full quarter mile, which show a bigger difference, but again not a huge one.

2009: 11.2 seconds/130.5 mph

2019: 10.6-seconds/134 mph

This would be a better comparison of Ford Mustang GT’s of the same year. Massive improvement.

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by echlebek on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @03:27PM (#27372922)
It's a crappy metric. What about:

Time to stop from 60 mph?

Effective turning radius at 60 mph?

Interior noise in decibels at 60 mph?

Maximum shock absorption at 60 mph?

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by perl4ever on Thursday June 03, 2021 @03:33AM (#27378220)
Nürburgring times.

Or 0-100-0.

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by bluedino on Thursday June 03, 2021 @01:35PM (#27384681)
>> Nürburgring times.

7:06 vs 7:24 for the old car. Although in 'segmented' times it had went something like 6:54

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by throwaway894345 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:52PM (#27362487)
The point is that people think the numeral in the brand is something like a version number in which larger numerals are better. I.e., an i7 is always better than an i5 when in fact a new i5 might exceed the performance of a dated i7 for some particular metric.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by Macha on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:22PM (#27362746)
Or frankly one new i5 might be powerful than a new i7 if one's a desktop or H series and the other is a Gx or U series.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by Invictus0 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:41PM (#27362405)
Corvettes like all cars are identified by their model year. Hence there is no confusion that a 2021 Corvette is "better" than a 2011 Corvette.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by dylan604 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:54PM (#27362512)
Are the '21 models better than an '11? I don't think anyone would say they'd rather have a '21 than a '69.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by jmchuster on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:16PM (#27362705)
I do love collecting my old classics, but every time I'm the one driving my wife's Civic, I think, huh, everything about modern cars is better in every single way.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by mixmastamyk on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:27PM (#27362782)
Including pervasive tracking of driving habits and who you associate with, sold to the highest bidder. :-(
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by neogodless on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:26PM (#27362772)
Depends on if I have a garage and a team to keep it running good, if I'm taking it for a nice drive or just showing it off in a museum.... The long, swooping '69 is iconic, but there are lots of things to prefer about a modern model.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by geofft on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:18PM (#27362720)
In terms of speed, definitely - the '69 Corvette's zero-to-60 mph time was about 7 seconds, the '11 Corvette took about 4 seconds, and the '21 Corvette takes under three seconds. Sustained performance, maximum speed, etc. has also improved.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by fastball on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:18PM (#27362722)
They would if they were looking for top speed.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by fomine3 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:53PM (#27363890)
This is valid since Intel's naming scheme is influenced by BMW.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by simondotau on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:18PM (#27364035)
I can't wait for Intel to release an i7 variant as the i8 Gran Coupé.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by Dylan16807 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:32PM (#27362332)
How much does the top speed differ?
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by neogodless on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:24PM (#27362756)
https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content...

About 10 years ago. 7:19.63 (ZR1 / i9)

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2020-chevrolet-corvette-s...

About a year ago 7:29.90 (base model / i3)

Better measure than top speed anyway

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by ubercore on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:07PM (#27362632)
More important than top speed, 0-60 went from 4.2 to 2.9 seconds in that time. So the analogy stands
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by cowmoo728 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:06PM (#27362610)
Then there's the Acer way of naming products like "XR382CQK bmijqphuzx" so that each one is unique. I like Intel's clearly defined 9 > 7 > 5 > 3. However, I do wish that Intel made the model generation part of their marketing material so that retailers and OEMs would be forced to include that information in their product marketing too. Intel i7.2019, for example.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by rualca on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:28PM (#27362788)
> Then there's the Acer way of naming products like "XR382CQK bmijqphuzx"

This take is deceitful. Acer typically uses a very simple scheme to define their products, which goes something like "Acer <product line> <model>".

The scheme "XR382CQK bmijqphuzx" is more a kin to a product ID, which goes way beyond make and model and specifies exactly which hardware combination is shipped in a particular product.

Complaining that Acer names its products like "XR382CQK bmijqphuzx" makes as much sense as complaining that Apple names its laptops like MVFM2xx/A, which Apple uses for the same effect.

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by fomine3 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:50PM (#27363871)
The model number is placed on the beginning of the title. Or you argue that we should call it as """ 37.5” UltraWide QHD (3840 x 1600) AMD FreeSync Monitor (USB 3.1 Type-C Port, Display Port, HDMI Port) """ ?

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XR382CQK-bmijqphuzx-UltraWide-Fr...

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by sgerenser on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @07:59AM (#27367644)
WTF, XR382CQK bmijqphuzx is really the model of an Acer monitor?
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by bigcheesegs on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @05:04AM (#27366500)
This is not at all how monitor marketing works. Every company gives them insane nonsense names. There is no other identifier. for XR382CQK bmijqphuzx there is no product line or model other than "monitor". That's all you get.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by techrat on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:49PM (#27362963)
> IIRC the Pentium line did not make this mistake. (Though the Celeron line could be very confusing, if I recall correctly.)

Current Pentium and Celeron chips can either be mobile variants of the Core line or... Atoms.

I have a Celeron N4100 in my cheap netbook. It's listed as "Gemini Lake" in Intel ARK, which is a rebranding of its original lineage... Goldmont. (Goldmont Plus)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_micropro...

If you were to look at other Gemini Lake cores... You'll see that "Pentium Silver" also falls into that group.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codenam...

TLDR: Intel has made it nearly impossible for anyone to know if they're getting Core based or Atom based mobile chips unless significant research is done beforehand.

This is not to say avoid Atoms at all costs. The N4100 I have is reasonably on par with the Core 2 Q6600 quad, which was quite the beast of a chip back in its day.

The current Atoms are nothing like the in-order-execution only monstrosities they originally launched as... but I still find Intel's branding a bit more than confusing. If incredibly deceitful.

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by the_arun on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:32PM (#27362325)
Instead they could have just called them i2017, i2018... going with year of manufacturing. That way it is useful to make some sense out of performance with an understanding iN is always better than i(N-1)
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by vetinari on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:51PM (#27362479)
Year of manufacturing says nothing; you can have two different gens manufactured in the same year, one for lower price tier and the other for the higher one. Just like Apple still produces older iPhones, same thing.

Instead, you have designations like "Intel Core i7 8565U Whiskey Lake" or "Intel Core i7 10510U Comet Lake". The first one is 8th generation (=8xxx), the second one is 10th generation (10xxx, but the 14nm one, not the 10nm "Ice Lake"), and most OEMs do put these into their marketing materials and they are on their respective web shops (these two specifically were copied from two different Thinkpads X1 Carbon models).

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by Dylan16807 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:34PM (#27362344)
That gives you the opposite problem, where someone gets a brand new dual core and is confused by it being slower.
Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by londons_explore on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:38PM (#27362377)
Best is to give them a number that approximately maps to performance.

The "pro" version might be an i8, while the budget version is i3. In a few years time, the pro version will be up to i12 while the budget version is now i8.

You have model numbers for when someone needs to look up some super specific detail.

Re:The Apple M1 compiles Linux 30% faster than my Intel i9 by lostgame on Wednesday June 02, 2021 @11:53PM (#27377049)
Right. The issue I have with this is that we have i7 models that are from 5 and 10 years ago with vastly different performance due to their generation. If it was more iterative it would make more sense.