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Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by jasonhansel on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:38AM (#27315170)
Given that this site contains such stories as "Crop circle season underway in the UK" and "Marilyn Monroe’s diary of secrets may have led to her death," I'm going to question if it's a reliable source.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by weswpg on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:41AM (#27315199)
The video is from CBS News
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by graderjs on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:44AM (#27315235)
Thanks! Here's also a 8 News NOW Las Vegas video covering it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by marktangotango on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:48AM (#27315984)
Interesting, George Knapp reporting, film acquired/leaked by Jeremy Corbell. Two familiar names. George at least has a lot of credibility as a "real" journalist. Jeremy manages to stay relativeley objective, but still comes off as pushing an agenda, imo.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by graderjs on Friday May 28, 2021 @12:15PM (#27317224)
I agree. Jeremy definitely has his stance that bleeds through, as much as he tries to say he's undecided, but that's ok. Everyone can have their beliefs and we can respect that. I think Jeremy is also pretty combative and painting himself as "everyone always wants me to be wrong, everyone always attacking me". I haven't yet looked at him being him on his Instagram, so maybe it's true, but I don't think he needs to run that attitude in every interview. Like, George is not attacking him. It's like Jeremy's responding to the "haters in his head," in much of what he says. Which unfortunately I think twists what he says. But hey, everyone has their story, is different and has their past. I think JC is a very cool guy. A dedicated martial artist for a long time, then had an accident/health issue and focused on making films, and then got into this. I think he's a useful guy that people in the programs can use to push out some information, but he won't have legs to be part of the messaging in the long term if he keeps running his mouth the way he does. That's what I think :p ;) xx
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by gabereiser on Friday May 28, 2021 @11:10AM (#27316307)
John Oliver recently showed how easy it was to get stories on local news. I wouldn’t trust a story simply because it’s on the local news. That said, I completely agree that what they saw on radar scope was UFOs. I’m not convinced they were from another planet considering the proximity to CA from the Channel Islands (National Park).
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by graderjs on Friday May 28, 2021 @12:18PM (#27317271)
I'm with you on not just trusting something because it's on the news. Totally. But everyone has their different values. I added that link because someone was commenting that they valued it more than a parent comment judged it, as it was on a news channel. So I posted another news channel because I cared about that's how they and other people felt about it and that they appreciated that kind of thing ;p :)xx
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by gabereiser on Friday May 28, 2021 @01:15PM (#27318031)
Yup. God help us all if they prove to be real. We aren’t ready as a species to comprehend it.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by stuaxo on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:43AM (#27315916)
"Crop circle season" ... surely that's just late-spring into summer ?
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by reaperducer on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:48AM (#27315262)
It's a project of KLAS/Las Vegas. It's a CBS affiliate that has worked with Senator Harry Reid to declassify a lot of government secrets over the decades.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by cavisne on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:37AM (#27315831)
“Senator Harry Reid” otherwise known as someone with a big financial interest in pushing UFO conspiracies
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by reaperducer on Friday May 28, 2021 @01:43PM (#27318353)
“Senator Harry Reid”

Why do you put his name and title in scare quotes?

He was a member of the U.S. Senate for 30 years, many of those years as the leader of the Democrats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid

His legacy is respected enough that they're trying to rename the airport in Las Vegas after him.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by bigth on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:38AM (#27315844)
Can't we just assess the information based on it's own merits?
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by jandrese on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:55AM (#27316085)
The source is one of the merits. If you are getting the material from a source that is well known for fabricating "evidence" then it must be treated as suspect.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by lallysingh on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:48AM (#27315977)
No, because this is noisy, incomplete data. We don't know how much other data wasn't released that would help us draw other conclusions.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by SamBam on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:54AM (#27316057)
Not if the suspicion is that interested parties have falsified the data.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by graderjs on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:43AM (#27315217)
If you pre-emptively have contempt for something by association rather than investigating it on its merits, it seems you risk missing out on any information you have there.

Maybe I disagree with your view on this, so I reflexively reject the rest of the comments you make on HN, even if one of them was insightful and could really help me. That might be a little dumb, so I would try not to do that, personally. I get if you would do differently tho, seems like you might from what you say here. ;p;) xx

I posted a couple different sources on this, but I'm glad this post is the one that got upvoted to front page, because it's a good compilation of the various resources about this newly released footage: explanatory discussion with George Knapp, actual footage, Twitter thread where announced, transcript of footage.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by mcguire on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:54AM (#27316065)
Are you familiar with The Boy Who Cried "Wolf"?
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by graderjs on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @09:04PM (#27455533)
Hahaha, that's exactly my point. They doubted him when he was true because of his reputation. Hahaha, thank you so much!! :p ;) xxx
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by hashkb on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:26AM (#27315681)
So you completely ignore the reputation of whoever is trying to convince you of something?
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by graderjs on Wednesday June 09, 2021 @09:05PM (#27455536)
And you completely ignore the content and judge everything based on reputation? Well I've got a great reputation, why don't you trust me!? :p ;) xx You must be so gullible. But I don't think so, I think you just take it to the extreme. i don't discount reputation. i treat it separately. there's reputation here, and information here. and i examine each separately. what i try to do anyway. can be tricky tho ;p ;) xx
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by hashkb on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:41AM (#27493489)
I skip all the middle-men and assume everyone is wrong, regardless of reputation OR content.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by calvinmorrison on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:41AM (#27315204)
Right next to the Wuhan lab leak...

Conspiracy nuts are like broken clocks, and sometimes they're really the first people to put together stories before the Amazon Washington Post will report it

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by SketchySeaBeast on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:48AM (#27315268)
But throwing everything imaginable at the wall and seeing that a few things stick doesn't mean you have a special insight regarding sticking things to walls.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by roenxi on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:13AM (#27315543)
A conspiracy theory is an argument from first principles (rather than evidence, it is a claim based on capability and incentives). That is very hard to do right, and most conspiracy theorists have more misses than hits.

That being said, it doesn't invalidate the conspiracy theorists. They fill a useful role - public discourse has three unwritten rules. Assume everyone is speaking in good faith, assume consequences of their actions that they didn't advocate for are accidental and assume that they are only working with information in the public sphere.

All three of these assumptions are unsound, so public discourse is always slightly divorced from reality. We can't have discourse without those rules, but the crazies provide a helpful chorus of "but what if we assume bad faith/indirect action/private knowledge". These ideas need to be in the conversation, even if only peripherally. It is pretty obvious that there is a lot of that negative stuff going on, even if we don't know which specific cases are coincidence vs intent.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by admax88q on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:59AM (#27316153)
> public discourse has three unwritten rules. Assume everyone is speaking in good faith, assume consequences of their actions that they didn't advocate for are accidental and assume that they are only working with information in the public sphere.

What?

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by colordrops on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:54AM (#27316060)
> slightly divorced from reality

It's often extremely divorced from reality. For instance the Israel / Palestine conflict.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by fartcannon on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:42AM (#27315901)
I agree with your sentiment, but using your own anaolgy, someone who put the time into throwing everything at the wall likely is your best source for what sticks. Because, you know, they tried... everything.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by SketchySeaBeast on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:47AM (#27315962)
You're right, the analogy is wrong because the conspiracy theorist is actually just yelling "this will stick" at every object they pass, and then doing strange analyses of their favourite objects to try to justify it, but never actually testing the results.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by fartcannon on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:52AM (#27316027)
Yep! But there's also the chance that yelling conspiracy theory becomes kind of a social norm to address any issue that is uncomfortable to think about which I think is pretty lazy and probably hurts us long term, too.

Some people refused to believe, for example, that big tech firms work with the gov. The idea seems quaint now but some didnt even believe Snowden!

In the end, a balance is needed.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by SketchySeaBeast on Friday May 28, 2021 @11:08AM (#27316279)
The question really is did the preceding theories help when Snowden came out? Like you said, some didn't believe him, but he brought his reputation and experience and evidence to eventually convince people. I'm not convinced that the decades of conspiracy theories in any way helped the process, and in fact may have invalidated his claims in the eyes of some.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by ccn0p on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:26AM (#27315679)
"conspiracy", "nuts" -- perfect use of language to shut any discourse down, playing right into the hand of whatever someone with enough power wants you to think.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by 3327 on Friday May 28, 2021 @09:50AM (#27315287)
“Wuhan lab leak” is a far more realistic & plausible story than “animal market is actual source that sits next to a gain of function lab doing unknown research on corona virus”

Many academics have been a proponent of the leak theory, whats shocking is not the press picking it up now, rather how quickly it was discarded before.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by Dah00n on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:40AM (#27315870)
Please don't add fire to the FUD. The lab research is neither unknown nor secret. Not only are there published research papers from their work but the WHO have also been there and seen the work and research they do. It might or might not be the source -I won't comment on that- but unknown it is not.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by coding123 on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:39AM (#27315850)
> “Wuhan lab leak” is a far more realistic

It absolutely is _now_ but try saying that between Mar 2020 and Mar 2021 you got downvoted into oblivion.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by Dah00n on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:44AM (#27315924)
Did your comments back then add anything interesting that everyone else didn't already know or did you just fling mud at the wall? I absolutely did and still do down vote posts that try to point fingers without proof, no matter if it is for or against.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by dokem on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:56AM (#27316105)
You and I both know that certain ideas just could not be entertained in any way shape or form. It had little to do with proof. And what would this proof look like exactly? We are all reading the same internet bs for the last year. All anyone could do was speculate, and certain speculations were off the table for political reasons. Discussion was shut down and now it's already been shown to backfire. You are trying to retroactively justify your agreement to silence certain opinions, which is wrong, dangerous, and you should be ashamed.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by Dah00n on Friday May 28, 2021 @11:44AM (#27316785)
I'm not ashamed to not take part in the conspiracy theories and racism that is a part of all of these lab leak discussions and behind many of the comments. I see the situation the direct opposite than you: I have added proof to discussions about the virus and every single time it has been heavily downvoted if it wasn't anti-china or pro lab-leak. Only when adding sources that prove I'm right do HN stop downvoting (but of course by then most have moved on which is why it ends up in one-use account discussions). The ideas that couldn't and still can't be discussed is truth that doesn't agree with what most Americans believe and that haven't changed at all.

As it is now we have a huge majority in these discussions that believe that because we haven't found where the virus came from it must be from a lab for the simple reason that almost everyone "know" that we found the source in a few months last time (SARS-CoV) while in reality we have still not found the source after 15 years of hard work.

On top of that these discussions are political in nature when it becomes anti-china or pro-US or whatever and by then should be downvoted.

Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by monkmartinez on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:45AM (#27315939)
It is obvious to anyone that is truly objective that _anything_ to make Trump look bad was going to be pushed hard by the media during that time. He, like it or not, brought the lab leak to the forefront of mind and was summarily dismissed because the media couldn't stand him.
Re:Radar data confirms: USS Omaha was surrounded by swarm of... by dangerbird2 on Friday May 28, 2021 @10:58AM (#27316125)
It's all up for debate now, but the wildlife hypothesis gains its plausibility from the similarity of SARS-CoV2's similarity to coronaviruses in pangolins sold in China's wildlife trade. The wild animal/bushmeat trade is considered responsible for the 2003 SARS outbreak as well as HIV, so it's certainly plausible it spread through wet markets (although probably not the specific Wuhan wet market it was initially discovered in).

TBH, the lab leak hypothesis should seem less damaging to the Chinese government's reputation than the wet market hypothesis. On one hand, you have an isolated failure of lab safety protocols, on the other, you have decades of government support of wild animal trade despite mountains of evidence for its risk of zoonotic disease outbreak, not to mention environmental costs.