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Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by ravel-bar-foo on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:11PM (#27298186)
Sometimes the collusion is blatantly obvious.

Back in grad school a colleague of mine spent nine months on an experiment in a new field and submitted it as a paper to a quality journal. Six months later, the paper was rejected for lack of novelty: One of the reviewers had found a paper with a figure-by-figure duplication of the same experiment -- published on arXiv a week before the rejection decision. Both the managing editor and the author on the arXiv paper were from Chinese universities.

We wrote a rebuttal and submitted a complaint to the journal editor, but no justice was forthcoming. My colleage switched research directions to avoid the collusion and now takes pains not to submit papers without a coauthor who has enough clout in the field to deter blatant research theft. He also avoids dealing with editors from institutions in China.

He ended up graduating two years later than planned.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by JetAlone on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:56PM (#27298834)
Reading about that makes me very angry. I long to see some justice for your colleague. Lots of good suggestions to guard with arXiv, I hope many young academics coming through read this post and learn from it.

I wish I had something more substantive to add, but, all I can say is I hope your colleague knows that even if the swindlers and plagiarizers take our research, years of our lives, etc, be they in China or wherever the whole wide world else ain't able to take away the heart of a real one. They know the research ain't theirs, and they know they depend on real producers to be able to commit their crimes, or do anything actually useful and it's not the other way around. These plagiarists are parasites, and one day we'll be free of them.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by zomglings on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:09PM (#27298920)
Sadly, I cannot share your optimism.

As long as metrics like impact factor and citation count determine the trajectories of academic careers, plagiarism, collusion, and other forms of academic dishonesty will not go a way.

The fact of the matter is that most academics do not have time to dig into whether someone's work is intellectually dishonest. Being dishonest has a huge payoff as long as you don't cause a scandal.

Anyone who plans to stay in academia should understand that the metagame has changed over the last 50 years. Largely because human attention has not scaled with rate at which academics are exposed to and expected to assimilate new information. There is a larger payoff to exploiting the lack of attention than to earnestly carrying out some meaningful research program. At the very least, do both. By no means do only the latter.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by JMTQp8lwXL on Thursday May 27, 2021 @12:56AM (#27299555)
Anything metric that becomes gamed ceases to be useful. If we all know the game is to optimize for number of citations, then the jig is up. It will eventually cease to be a useful system and fail its ultimate goal. Institutions can handle some amount of it, but left unchecked, the institution will fail when quality falls enough to prevent any further value creation. Certain journals or periodicals will lose their notoriety, and with it, bring down the credibility of the entire system in which they exist.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by xbar on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:34AM (#27299734)
The folks who have benefited from the system are in power. They are too heavily invested in extending its existence in its current, increasingly corrupt form.

I used to be enamored of academia and its promise. I am now glad there are increasing avenues for success for researchers who choose to leave it, given the limits of their capability to express their ideas honestly with the hope of being recognized for valuable work.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by JetAlone on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:31PM (#27299073)
"By no means do not only carry out meaningful research"? Happily, I cannot share your cynicism.

There are metrics and citations being taken, of our dishonest acts. They determine the trajectories of virtually everything relevant to our lives, and can have momentous impacts on the lives of others. I cannot judge any other man or woman, but I know I would be a coward, a fool, and a fraud to diversify any kind of portfolio of mine in this life, by consciously choosing to sprinkle in some exploitation or lies.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by zomglings on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:36PM (#27299111)
Actually completely agree with you about not making yourself a coward, a fool and a fraud.

I should have been clearer. If you want to stay in academia, not debasing yourself comes at a high cost in terms of your career. It is better to leave than to debase yourself.

Academia is a system worth destroying. Participate in its destruction. Leave. There are so many exciting opportunities to continue doing meaningful work outside of universities and research institutes.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by JetAlone on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:43PM (#27299147)
Thank you for clarifying to an ideologue-dog. If I'd chosen to remain at university, this post would certainly be a wake-up call to me. Respect.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by Beldin on Saturday May 29, 2021 @02:46AM (#27323508)
There certainly are aspects of academia that are overdue for improvement. However, for folks with a CS PhD degree, my guess is that moving out of academia has a high chance of you ending up contributing to surveillance capitalism.

Now there's a system worth destroying.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by Eridrus on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:13PM (#27298210)
The other way to mitigate this is to put your work on ArXiv before submitting it to conferences/journals, which is becoming more and more acceptable in at least some CS sub-fields.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:29PM (#27298323)
This is becoming more popular in another field (non-CS) I follow, but for different reasons:

Some have been posting their papers to pre-print servers and then skipping straight to commercialization attempts. This is especially concerning in the health and fitness world, where some supplement makers and fitness gurus are uploading documents to pre-print servers to give the illusion of being published authors. Casual observers may not be able to tell the difference between published, peer-reviewed papers and some random document uploaded that has a DOI on a pre-print server.

This doesn’t carry much weight in academia, but it can fool non-academic observers. I’m not sure if or how it will translate to CS papers, but I wouldn’t be surprised if skipping peer review becomes more common as the pace of publishing increases.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by josephg on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:39PM (#27299123)
> I wouldn’t be surprised if skipping peer review becomes more common as the pace of publishing increases.

This is probably a controversial opinion, but I think this makes sense anyway. Peer review & editing from journals made a lot more sense in the world where physically publishing, printing & distributing papers made out of atoms was expensive and difficult. And where retractions and corrections were near impossible, and where we didn't have systems for tracking reputation.

More and more I imagine research becoming like blogging - where "publication" happens by first putting your work online, and then getting feedback in the public domain. And "journals" are replaced by sites like HN or Mastodon which aggregate content and form focal points for a given community.

It won't be perfect, but neither is the current system. And speaking as a mostly independent researcher, the idea of signing over copyright of my work for the privilege of putting my work on their website is preposterous.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant for the kind of corruption described here.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by tablespoon on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:32AM (#27299727)
> More and more I imagine research becoming like blogging - where "publication" happens by first putting your work online, and then getting feedback in the public domain. And "journals" are replaced by sites like HN or Mastodon which aggregate content and form focal points for a given community.

That honestly sounds like it either would be a step backwards, or it would end up re-inventing peer review. I think one of the basic functions of peer review is to provide a basic authoritative quality filter to help make the fire-hose manageable. As someone who lacks the infinite time needed to check everything myself, I find those kinds of filters valuable.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by barry-cotter on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:58AM (#27300474)
> That honestly sounds like it either would be a step backwards, or it would end up re-inventing peer review.

Peer review is good. Pre publication peer review is bad. Bring back the pre WW2 system. End the enormous waste of reviewer time and ludicrous delay. If it was good enough for Einstein it’s good enough. The only person deciding if it’s good enough to publish should be one editor.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by tablespoon on Thursday May 27, 2021 @08:25PM (#27310344)
> Peer review is good. Pre publication peer review is bad. Bring back the pre WW2 system. End the enormous waste of reviewer time and ludicrous delay. If it was good enough for Einstein it’s good enough. The only person deciding if it’s good enough to publish should be one editor.

IIRC, the current peer review system was created because academic specialization and the quantity of papers increased mid-century to a point where the pre-WWII system became unworkable. Specialization and volume have continued to increase, and it's hard to see how that makes the old system workable again.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by ehsankia on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:49PM (#27298439)
Is it possible to upload to arXiv but have it as private, but have the upload date reserved. Then if something like this happens, you can turn it to public and show that yours was uploaded first. Obviously arXiv itself would need to be a trusted middleman and guarantee that the system isn't being cheated.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by pithon on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:53PM (#27298470)
Or upload an encrypted version of the file or just a hash of the figure ahead of time? Then release the descrypt key later or when the figure is published, you can point to the hash which was uploaded publicly a long time ago?
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by sebmellen on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:33PM (#27298694)
This is exactly what we built at https://assembl.net with blockchain timestamping (and it really worked/works)!!! We had many researchers using it but sadly failed to commercialize.

We called it Assembl Chronos. It’s now available here at https://provenance.cerebrum.com. Please give it a try, I’d love to hear your thoughts :)

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Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by sillysaurusx on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:22PM (#27298632)
This would be the ultimate proof, but it would also require the system of justice to care enough to accept the proof. It sounds like they just don't care.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by ehsankia on Friday May 28, 2021 @04:37PM (#27320186)
I don't think the system of justice would ever go after that random Chinese scientist, but it may be able to take down the fake arXiv entry, as well as help confirm to journals than your idea came first.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by wait_a_minute on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:31PM (#27298682)
So make them care - tell your representatives, vote, etc. let’s make noise about it and it will happen.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by pavon on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:25PM (#27299041)
The journal already had documented evidence that the legitimate paper was submitted to the journal before the plagerism was submitted to ArXiv. I don't know why they would trust an ArXiv timestamp more than their own.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by Eridrus on Thursday May 27, 2021 @02:22PM (#27306321)
The ArXiv timestamp/paper is public, so even if the conference doesn't do the right thing, you should still be able to submit it elsewhere.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by cycomanic on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:27AM (#27299702)
Can you give some more details? What field was that in? Can you maybe point to the arxiv paper? What was the journal your colleague submitted to?

I'm trying to understand your story because many details are very different from the things I know about scientific publishing.

Your colleague was a grad student who researched and conducted an experiment in a new field without a supervisor (you say there wasn't a coauthor with enough research cloud)? This never happens in my field and pretty much any technical field I'm aware of.

It then went to the review process and was rejected six month later because a reviewer found (a "copy" of) the paper on arxiv? And the rejection reason was lack of novelty? In many fields arxiv does not count as a "already published" . In particular if the submission date of the article is before the article showing up on arxiv.

Also you say the article on arxiv was very obviously copied. So did this result in plagiarism investigations? While there are many things wrong with the current review process, accusations of instances of plagiarism are typically dealt with very quickly and in my experience pretty much always results in the editors in chief getting involved. So did this happen? Also in my experience there is generally much more scepticism against chinese authors than western authors when this happens. The quality of research and publications from China has dramatically increased in the last 5-10 years though.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by KirillPanov on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:41AM (#27299764)
The comment you're replying to was quite detailed. Any additional data would identify the paper and therefore the person, transforming OP's comment from an anecdote into a use of HN for griefing purposes. Let's not do that.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by cycomanic on Thursday May 27, 2021 @02:26AM (#27300012)
No there is clearly not enough detail to assess the story. Apart from the question if it is justified to name the Arxiv paper (I believe pointing out scientific dishonesty publicly is very important), he could have named the field and journal without revealing anything.

I clearly pointed out some gaps in the story that everyone vaguely familiar with scientific publishing would find, that's why I'm asking for clarification.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by Al-Khwarizmi on Thursday May 27, 2021 @10:40AM (#27303707)
I don't see any gaps in their story, to be honest.

A supervisor can easily not have "enough clout in the field to deter blatant research theft". If you're a tenured professor from a random university in a random country and are not among the top few names in your field, you probably can and will supervise theses, but good luck convincing an editor from an elite institution to care about you.

And in your last two paragraphs, I think you're being a bit naive... what if the editor in chief is directly involved, or is a friend of the plagiarizer? Whom do you turn to? How do you prove that you did the experiment first if there is no proof but the submission, which is in control of the editor in chief?

I fortunately have never been the victim of such a despicable ploy, but I have seen all sorts of malpractice in journals, including editors that didn't care about blatant plagiarism. I don't think it's a predominant thing, fortunately there are plenty of honest journals and honest editors. But it happens. I'm quite familiar with scientific publishing, having authored a good number of papers, and I find the story perfectly believable.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by ggggtez on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:37PM (#27298376)
While I've never had an experience that bad, I've certainly peer reviewed utter garbage from one Chinese professor, who was publishing something like 200 papers a year.

I don't care how many graduate students you have, there is no way all of that is original research. And in my case, it was an obfuscated version of a very well known theory that any freshman would know.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by SignalNotSecure on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:19PM (#27298249)
Stated another way Chinese university journal editors stole a little over two percent of his life
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by trompetenaccoun on Friday May 28, 2021 @12:05PM (#27317086)
This is the fundamental flaw with open research and open source. You can't have both open access and working intellectual property protections, especially when there are jurisdictions that don't care about your laws, or are even actively encouraging theft.

It's easy to complain about China but that's what the Mainland Chinese system is designed to do. If they're able to break ours then that's just survival of the fittest. Adopt of perish. Who says you have to roll over and simply let them get away with it? Why are our universities collaborating with these "researchers"? Name, shame and blacklist them.

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Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by tolbish on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:33PM (#27298357)
Any evidence that it came from the lab?
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by btmorex on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:55PM (#27298478)
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/wuhan-lab-covid-orig...

US intelligence reports that researchers from the virology lab in Wuhan were hospitalized with an unknown illness in November of 2019, most notably before the "patient #0" was infected.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by ggggtez on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:41PM (#27298391)
It seems recently they uncovered evidence that patient 0 never visited any wet markets. Among some other head scratchers. Fauci says it's a coin flip, 50/50 odds it came from a lab.

More research is necessary, but it's worth keeping your mind open to new evidence.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by SignalNotSecure on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:56PM (#27298497)
To answer that we need to know what happened to / where is Shi Zhengli?

Are her social media accounts now empty shells run by the state to pretend she is still around?

Her history is spooky. And there is no evidence she is still alive.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by sillysaurusx on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:27PM (#27298657)
Hm, this took a turn. As someone who hasn't heard anything about this, where should I start digging?

Her wikipedia page seems sterile, and searching her name doesn't bring up anything about possible death.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by SignalNotSecure on Thursday May 27, 2021 @07:53AM (#27301909)
She didn't necessarily die. I wish we knew more about her actions since the start of the pandemic because her role in all this is central.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by vore on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:39AM (#27300393)
Cite sources for these claims. Otherwise, this is just unsubstantiated conspiracy mongering.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by aftbit on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:34PM (#27298705)
Here is my favorite roundup on the subject: https://project-evidence.github.io/

In my own amateur opinion, either natural crossover or laboratory escape theories are plausible but we'll almost certainly never be able to prove it either way.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by IlliOnato on Thursday May 27, 2021 @02:35AM (#27300078)
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by msie on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:55PM (#27298487)
Some say it couldn’t have been designed: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-la...
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by aj7 on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:25AM (#27299696)
Reading between the lines, they started out by “designing” i.e. choosing genetic sequences. But they found out it was more efficient to generate more virulent viruses simply by natural selection in mouse and human respiratory cell cultures.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by SignalNotSecure on Thursday May 27, 2021 @04:42PM (#27308201)
Similar to how Monsanto chooses herbicide resistant strains of seeds compatible with glyphosate
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by garmaine on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:19PM (#27298615)
That wasn’t the question.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by halsom on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:43PM (#27298404)
The US health industry funded it
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by Retric on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:36PM (#27298715)
The only appropriate response to that is to go scorched earth and try and get not just those to published the copied paper but the reviewer who linked it fired. And then make it very clear what the journal let happen to others in the field.

Also, a DMCA request to arXiv would likely work.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by jacobolus on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:45PM (#27298764)
It’s unclear that stealing someone’s scientific ideas is a copyright violation. Though it may depend on exactly what was copied and how.

> In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by nextaccountic on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:45AM (#27299786)
The ideas themselves aren't but it appears the paper was a blatant copy, image by image, and this IS a copyright violation.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by lodovic on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:41AM (#27300406)
"regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work" - didn't know this either, but apparently even image-by-image copies are allowed.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by Retric on Thursday May 27, 2021 @11:05AM (#27303992)
Scientific ideas are one thing, however if scientific papers don’t have copyright protection then Sci-Hub should be legally fine. So, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by aba_cz on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:52AM (#27299821)
EU has an eIDAS law about qualified signatures and timestamps for years with even an original open-source implementation from EU. You can add it to the PDF and keep it on your machine. It's verifiable by any court in the EU because it's "unbreakable". We use it for every document when communicating with officials and I think more people should do that. You don't need cool blockchains and stuff when you have cryptography.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by webmaven on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:21PM (#27305569)
> Back in grad school a colleague of mine spent nine months on an experiment in a new field and submitted it as a paper to a quality journal. Six months later, the paper was rejected for lack of novelty: One of the reviewers had found a paper with a figure-by-figure duplication of the same experiment -- published on arXiv a week before the rejection decision. Both the managing editor and the author on the arXiv paper were from Chinese universities.

Could you clarify whether the duplicate paper was also submitted to the same journal or elsewhere, and if submitted whether it was accepted?

I'm trying to figure out whether the point was to steal credit, or to spike your colleague's submission.

> We wrote a rebuttal and submitted a complaint to the journal editor, but no justice was forthcoming.

Yeah this is the sort of thing that seems to only ever get resolved if a public stink is made, often on social media these days, because the integrity of both the editor and the journal is being implicated, which ends up with the can of worms[0] being swept under the rug if at all possible.

Of course people are going to keep tripping over the bump in the rug, and your colleague might not even have been the first victim.

[0] Having to check everything else the editor has ever done for similar misconduct, potentially retractions galore, making victims whole, process improvements, etc.

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by msie on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:52PM (#27298461)
So your colleague submitted their paper before the other paper was posted to arXiv and yet it was still rejected? Crazy!
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by ravel-bar-foo on Thursday May 27, 2021 @12:31AM (#27299427)
Yup. That was my reaction at first, too. Definitely taught me a lot about informal trust systems in academia.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by jollybean on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:19PM (#27298251)
But these things can affect real credibility if not superficial credibility.

I wonder if it's worth staring a web-site where friendly scientists put papers side by side and say 'Was this a Rip Off'? Whereby at least the scammers get some form of possible public shaming for as long as the paper exists.

I can just imagine that site coming up in web searches ... how could people not click it?

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by geraneum on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:37PM (#27298375)
I wonder if there's already a tool that clusters papers by similarity or else how do the reviewers reject a paper on such ground. How do they find it? Do they know them all by heart? Maybe we (the community) can help by creating an open platform that scraps openly available papers and automatically finds and sorts similar ones.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by neutered_knot on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:50PM (#27298448)
I’m an academic computer scientist. I submit things I review through my institutions cheating detection system. I have found plagiarized submissions this way.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by geraneum on Thursday May 27, 2021 @05:05AM (#27300784)
I was not aware of it, thanks for the info. I followed up on the topic and found the famous ones.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by rdevsrex on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:22AM (#27299672)
Why can’t academics insert some sort of cryptographic proof of ownership or publication date? The ownership could be done with something like Keybase, and as far as dates, that could be as simple as private Git repo that you make public or some fancy blockchain solution. But I suppose even then, people could look the other way.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by tablespoon on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:23AM (#27299685)
> Back in grad school a colleague of mine spent nine months on an experiment in a new field and submitted it as a paper to a quality journal. Six months later, the paper was rejected for lack of novelty: One of the reviewers had found a paper with a figure-by-figure duplication of the same experiment -- published on arXiv a week before the rejection decision. Both the managing editor and the author on the arXiv paper were from Chinese universities.

I have no experience in this area, and I am probably going to ask a dumb question: why not always submit the paper to arXiv before submitting it to a journal to protect against this kind of theft? Wouldn't that clearly and indisputably establish priority?

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by atoav on Thursday May 27, 2021 @01:27AM (#27299705)
Or use other ways that proof you had the work before anybody has the chance of copying it.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by JoeyBananas on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @09:13PM (#27298209)
that's a good reason to put it papers on arxiv before you submit them
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by N1H1L on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:01PM (#27298871)
That's why you upload to arXiv the da you submit it - to prevent such blatant research theft.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by anonporridge on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:35PM (#27299101)
What happens if people start colluding behind the scenes of arXiv to change their records? Even if the people running it now are totally trustworthy, they won't be in control forever.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by 8192kjshad09- on Thursday May 27, 2021 @12:57AM (#27299562)
Publicly tweet the hash of your PDF, email the hash of your PDF to yourself, upload your PDF to google drive, dropbox, github, and s3. Essentially the whole world would have to collude against you for someone to claim they wrote it before you.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by Thorrez on Thursday May 27, 2021 @12:50AM (#27299537)
Archive.org
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by IceWreck on Thursday May 27, 2021 @02:32AM (#27300053)
> He ended up graduating two years later than planned.

This is so unfair, some cheaters from China got free research papers to their name and the legit author had to waste two years of their life

Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by auggierose on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @11:34PM (#27299093)
That story doesn't sound very likely to me. If something like that actually happened, for sure your colleague didn't submit to a "quality" journal.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by ravel-bar-foo on Thursday May 27, 2021 @12:47AM (#27299527)
It wasn't Nature Materials, but it was one of the top journals for that branch of materials science. I think we were shooting for IF 5 to 10, but I wasn't involved in the work beyond editing the rebuttal.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by auggierose on Thursday May 27, 2021 @04:24AM (#27300588)
IF is a ridiculous measure in the first place. It says nothing about quality. It once was an interesting number from a purely observational point of view, but once journals are actually rated by it, it has no meaning any more.
Re:Collusion rings threaten the integrity of computer scienc... by SneakyTornado29 on Wednesday May 26, 2021 @10:34PM (#27298698)
Preprint servers for the win!