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Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by bombcar on Friday May 21, 2021 @04:27PM (#27239500)
It's not the last time major portions of the world fundamentally changed how they did things to align with the major powers at the time.

Even WITH all the Unicode support that currently exists in the computing world I don't know of a single computer language that isn't based on English in ASCII. I guess you could count APL there (or perl!).

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by slver on Friday May 21, 2021 @04:32PM (#27239575)
Imagine if Europe was pre-metric system today. Merely proposing unification I'd be instantly downvoted, and called a bigotted racist who doesn't respect the cultural heritage of every nation.

Unfortunately those are the times right now. We, the most adaptable and intelligent species on the planet, have become used to bragging about not having to adapt or know a lot. We sure do have really strong opinions about everything, though.

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by bombcar on Friday May 21, 2021 @04:38PM (#27239653)
I think that's the dividing line - each person decides if it's worth it to learn something new. For example, some people love foreign media so much that they trade fansubs of said media or even learn the language so they can watch.

Someone who wants to program computers will most likely learn functional English, just because of how much content on that subject is in English (the "lingua franca" of computers).

But someone in Mongolia who wants to text his mom has no inclination to learn a whole new language just to handle the limitations of ASCII. And if you want to sell him a phone you'll meet him where he is.

(This doesn't even begin to touch the "it's not fair" aspect that people like to point at.)

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by slver on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:08PM (#27239983)
You PoV is understandable, but still do you believe the ongoing long-term pain of this fragmentation is LESS than the short-term pain of unifying?

This is why I mentioned the metric system, and what not. Every time throughout history when we decided to unify, the advantages VASTLY, and I mean VASTLY have outweighed the short-term drawbacks.

In fact I'd say, one of the biggest test for us as species is that we can fully understand, internalize and implement this concept. Because we always reach for the short term. Short term profits over long-term strategy in the enterprise. Short term economy benefits over long-term climate impact. And so on and so on.

Someone in Mongolia won't have to switch overnight. Someone in Mongolia may gain the option to have it both ways until they're used to it, and eventually there will be unification. That's basic change management.

Change management is a necessary art to survive and to thrive.

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by crazygringo on Friday May 21, 2021 @11:09PM (#27243021)
> the advantages VASTLY, and I mean VASTLY have outweighed the short-term drawbacks.

Except you're not even including the value of diversity in your argument.

"Unity" also leads to groupthink and monocultures which are less resistant to new challenges. Unity comes with costs you're ignoring.

Languages aren't just an encoding, but an entire paradigm of thinking. Eradicating linguistic differences eradicates entire perspectives.

Languages aren't just measuring systems. Culture is embedded in them too.

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by slver on Saturday May 22, 2021 @05:03AM (#27244843)
Languages aren’t paradigms of thinking. We borrow phrases and concept from each other at a higher level, they’re basically identical, unless you’re isolated on an island and don’t interact with anyone.

For proof, look up the etymology of a random set of words. They come from all over the world.

This is literally pride over encodings. It’s superficial, petty, and ignorance makes it seem profound and important.

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by crazygringo on Saturday May 22, 2021 @09:57AM (#27246579)
You should study linguistics. Your're flat-out incorrect.

I speak two languages fluently and they really are two different modes of thinking. That's why translation is an art, not a science, and for literary stuff it's quite difficult.

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by oblio on Saturday May 22, 2021 @02:27AM (#27244058)
You do know that the bastion of computerhood, the US, is mostly non metric?
Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by KineticLensman on Friday May 21, 2021 @04:52PM (#27239823)
> I don't know of a single computer language that isn't based on English in ASCII

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_...

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by dijit on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:12PM (#27240037)
I think if you’re reaching for _brainfuck_ as one of the solutions for the prevalence of English in programming; then you’ve probably failed.

A few of the languages on the list are designed precisely to be unreadable.

Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by tobr on Saturday May 22, 2021 @05:38AM (#27244999)
I think if you click a link which points to a very detailed list of programming languages based on non-English languages, then decide to take an example from a different list and suggest that’s what OP was “reaching for”; then you’ve probably failed.
Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by KineticLensman on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:23PM (#27240133)
my link contains programming languages based on Arabic, Chinese, etc, not just unreadable esolangs
Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by slver on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:00PM (#27241006)
Let’s face it. Your link defeats your own point.
Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by recursive on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:56PM (#27241522)
Independent third party here. I don't think it does, and as such, don't think it would really be appropriate to face it.
Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by exporectomy on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:28PM (#27241859)
Can you honestly say you know of AxumLight / Geez#, Al-Khawarizm, Jeem or anything at all that's based on another human language? These are mostly obscure.
Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by SSLy on Sunday May 23, 2021 @08:17AM (#27254494)
I've used AC-Logo in middle school.
Re:Text editing hates you too (2019) by trnglina on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:34PM (#27241293)
Sure, but not all people who use computers are programmers, and programmers make up a small minority of computer users. Much of the value in computers come from augmenting other workloads. There are no shortage of people composing e-mails and documents, or consuming content, in non-English languages. Probably more than there are fluent English users.