America’s Dead Souls

Re:America’s Dead Souls by giantg2 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:36PM (#27226030)

Dude, that's basically what we have now. Bond, fines, court fees, lawyer fees, prison labor, etc. Even if you win, you still lose financially.

Edit: I forgot a big one. The early intervention or accelerated rehabilitation programs cost tons of money, paid both to the system and to the vendors of ignition interlocks, ankle bracelets, etc. You really are paying to stay out of prison.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by wldcordeiro on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:27PM (#27226754)

They never went away they just rewrote the rules so you go in for something else on paper.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by fakedang on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:37PM (#27228811)

So basically the system in the medieval Arab Gulf countries. Unbelievable.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by gabereiser on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:13PM (#27227356)

We already have them. Inmates in most US jails and prisons are charged a per diem just for being there. It’s disgraceful.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by refurb on Thursday May 20, 2021 @08:23PM (#27229127)

That’s not debtor’s prison?

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by gabereiser on Thursday May 20, 2021 @08:50PM (#27229304)

Imagine being locked up for not paying fines, only to be fined further while your in, and unable to break the cycle...

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by refurb on Thursday May 20, 2021 @09:59PM (#27229708)

Right, that’s not great, but that’s not what people mean by debtors prison.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by gabereiser on Friday May 21, 2021 @12:47AM (#27230605)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison

If someone is unable to pay their debt, they are thrown back in jail, accruing more debt. How is this not a debtors prison? Perfect examples are listed on this wikipedia article. Child-support, garnishments, confiscations, etc. It's exactly what I described.

https://lasentinel.net/if-youre-poor-in-america-debtors-pris...

Inmates who are unable to pay their fees (for even being in jail) are unable to leave. For-profit prisons are real.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by Aperocky on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:52PM (#27227854)

So.. what if they don't pay?

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by notac on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:21PM (#27228151)

often you're billed after release, can take it from any pay you make when you're out, etc. It's pretty evil.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by gabereiser on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:08PM (#27228580)

You find yourself with a judgement and garnishment should you ever be employed.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by vkou on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:05PM (#27227253)

Your post implies that they have ever went away. They haven't, there's just a large middle-class America that's largely insulated from the barbarism of its legal system.

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Re:America’s Dead Souls by dang on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:20PM (#27241774)

Please don't post flamewar comments to HN, and please don't fulminate. The experience of being surrounded by demons in a web forum like this is a mechanical one that follows from its structure. I've tried to explain this many times. I hope one of these explanations may be helpful, but in any case please don't post like you did here–it does no good for anyone and only makes this place even worse.

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