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Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by TechBro8615 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @10:58AM (#27195490)
I was fairly into the space in 2014-2016 but stopped paying attention the last few years. It seems like lots of theorized applications actually exist and have a proof-of-concept now.

If I’m building a marketplace business in 2021, where I want to be “crypto-first” instead of relying on PayPal and Stripe Connect, where do I start?

The marketplace sells access to resources with an off-chain ACL system. It facilitates trades between resource sellers and buyers.

I assume I want a smart contract between buyer/seller to record resource grants on chain, which the access layer checks as a source of truth.

But if I were to do this on Ethereum, the gas fees would be really expensive. I’ve heard about Polygon and “optimistic roll-up.” Is this a viable solution?

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by de_keyboard on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:07AM (#27195636)
> If I’m building a marketplace business in 2021, where I want to be “crypto-first” instead of relying on PayPal and Stripe Connect, where do I start?

Unless you are building a dark web market, why would you want to? It will be more convenient for the vast majority of users to pay with card or PayPal.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by 533474 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:20PM (#27196908)
why does it have to be a dark-web market if blockchain payments are first class citizens? I suppose the general population isn't ready for decentralised payments yet or do you have another reason for such use-case generalization?
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by _jjkk on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:37PM (#27197215)
There are still many barriers to that "first class" status, taxes are mentioned most often.

Taxes are paid in fiat. Holding non-stablecoins would add even more of a tax headache because you'd have to track capital gain/loss as you enter/exit fiat for taxes / fees / vendors that don't accept crypto

Also the fact that general adoption has been slow so far may be a sign that there is not enough obvious value added for the average person to consider using crypto over fiat.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by svarog-run on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @04:29PM (#27200609)
who would pay with non-stablecoins though? The oath seems to be cbdcs that are compatible with public smart contract blockchains
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by AlexandrB on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @05:44PM (#27201632)
There's also the risk that stablecoins aren't actually stable but just claim to be such: https://www.coindesk.com/tether-first-reserve-composition-re...
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by selfhoster11 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:43AM (#27196186)
One reason that comes to mind is trying to be the change they want to see in the world. Cards and Paypal already have heaps of adoption.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by svarog-run on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @04:30PM (#27200625)
The end user won't see a change in their cards though
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by notsureaboutpg on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:31AM (#27196000)
I believe there are some use cases. Think of a government which does not allow currency conversion to more stable currencies in a place where volatility or inflation is very high. In that situation, it might be worth adopting a crypto-first approach, no?
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by bhandziuk on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:31PM (#27198133)
But doesn't crypto have very high volatility?
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by wmf on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:06PM (#27198656)
For example, Reserve is a stablecoin designed for markets like Venezuela where it's "illegal" to use USD or EUR.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by tratax on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:20PM (#27198840)
I'm pretty sure they will make all the stablecoins illegal as well. The fact that they cant really enforce it .. thats something else.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by svarog-run on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @04:31PM (#27200639)
Normal citizens won't need 3rd party stablecoins when cbdcs are available
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by TarasBob on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:29AM (#27195984)
This is a great solution called zk-rollup (zero knowledge rollup) https://zksync.io/

It is just as secure as the base chain (unlike polygon) and has low fees and has been live for the past few months. This is a perfect solution to simple payments.

The difference between optimistic rollups and zero knowledge rollups is that you can’t deploy arbitrary smart contracts to zk rollup, it only supports a limited set of use cases, such as simple payments for now. Read more here https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/01/05/rollup.html

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by X6S1x6Okd1st on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:39AM (#27196138)
As a side note:

If you as a reader are interested in math & crypto the stuff being done in the zero knowledge space w.r.t. cryptocurrencies is really cool regardless of your opinion on cryptocurrencies in general.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by hanniabu on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:16PM (#27198797)
Also zkSync has general EVM compatibility coming in a few months
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by randomopining on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:36PM (#27199080)
What coin does zk-rollup use? or just base Ethereum?
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by X6S1x6Okd1st on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @03:39PM (#27199951)
the current solutions do 'native fees' which means you pay the fee in whatever you are sending. This can't really last because I could create SPAM coin with 1B marketcap and overload the network with it.

IIRC they'll eventually create their own native token when their EVM compatible rollup is out.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by TarasBob on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @03:13PM (#27199591)
It can use any coin. You can send ETH or any token, including stable coins such as DAI or USDC.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by X6S1x6Okd1st on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:09AM (#27195670)
Polygon & "optimistic roll-ups" are generally referred to as L2. In general this part of the etherum ecosystem is just starting up and the only one that has seen much adoption so far is Polygon (which did 4M tx yesterday & still has low fees).

Using an L2 system will mean that your user will need to be using that specific L2 system as well, but the UX doesn't seem so bad (at least for ETH -> polygon, and for the cryptocurrecny space so far).

ETH 2.0 will reduce gas fees somewhat on the mainchain, but it's fairly obvious that there's huge demand, the sharding that ETH 2.0 will do is create 1 shard for execution & 63 for data only. Most L2 systems will mostly use the data shards, so we appear to be heading towards an L2 future.

In short if I were building a company in the space I'd be looking at deploying both on the mainchain (L1) and on a L2 system, but prioritize the L2 system. Unfortunately we may end up in a world where there are dozens or more L2 systems and either the users or the companies have to pay the cost to hop between them.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by tootie on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:16AM (#27195772)
Realistically, you can't. Unless you want to be a very early adopter, no mainstream businesses are accepting payments in crypto. Techwise, Coinbase has a thing: https://commerce.coinbase.com/

But I've absolutely never seen it in the wild.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by jaggs on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:33AM (#27196037)
Um...that's not strictly the case though? https://blog.bitgo.com/24-major-businesses-accepting-bitcoin...

(Tesla has recanted 'for now').

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by nomel on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @07:09PM (#27202481)
This list seems silly. For example:

> In a 2013 video, a man appears to be paying for his meal at Subway using Bitcoin in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

And, many are only at select locations, "will be", "unveils plans", and "testing".

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by iamlolz on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @08:32PM (#27203145)
To add my experience. I looked at rolling out Coinbase commerce a couple of years ago and then again a couple of months ago. I found their current integrations lacked support or were seemingly abandoned.

Contacting general or merchant support often took over 2 weeks to get a response, which was a deal-breaker for any service that would inevitably impact customers on our end.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by tootie on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:44AM (#27209354)
I'm not even really talking about technical limitations. More that 90% of consumers don't own any crypto. And (more controversially) it has completely morphed into an investment asset class. One that is possibly in a deflationary spiral where no one wants to spend any of it. IMHO it has really failed in it's mission of actually being a currency.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by Ono-Sendai on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:18PM (#27196856)
I use coinbase to accept crypto payments for virtual property here: https://substrata.info/parcel_auction_list
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by random_kris on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:19PM (#27198826)
If you want to use microlayments, payment processing checkout the btcpayserver and Bitcoin lightning Network.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by wbc on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:04AM (#27195582)
Check out Solana if you want lower fees
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by throwaway-8c93 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:14AM (#27195744)
Low fees - but only once you're in the crypto ecosystem.

If you're after dollars or euros, the on-ramp and off-ramp at exchanges adds a comparable, if not higher layer of fees than existing payment mechanisms, kind of defeating the whole purpose.