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Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by flowerlad on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:39AM (#27184692)
In the 90s I used to make money off shareware, and every time I release a new version hackers would release "cracks" for the license key. Eventually I figured out that these cracks are coming from Russia.

In the next version of my program, I added a check for system language, and if I detect Russian then I bypass the license key checks, and the program is free to use. This stopped hackers from releasing cracks.

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by PeterisP on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:41AM (#27184714)
Hah, it reminds me of a shareware program that had two options for registration, one required you to pay some dollars to get a registration code, and the other, labeled as licence for CIS countries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_St...) simply required you to enter the name of the current day of week in Russian cyrillic alphabet.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by orbital-decay on Monday May 17, 2021 @12:42PM (#27185429)
I believe it's not related. When the shareware model was popular, a lot of the programs made by developers from exUSSR republics were either free or sold at the significantly lowered price to native speakers, so such tests were common. (I've seen Russian folk riddles as tests, for example). The developers were doing this because they were keenly aware of the economic situation in their home countries, and because the software would have been pirated anyway. So there was less incentive for russian speakers to crack it as it was free for them. It was a completely different time as well, nobody was thinking about legal action.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by nzmsv on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:02PM (#27185638)
Not sure why this is downvoted. An exUSSR license was very common in shareware whose authors were themselves from the region. WinRAR and FAR are examples, but there are certainly more.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by wildmanx on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @02:26AM (#27191786)
Maybe because it claims "they are unrelated" and then spends some time describing the relation? That is, between cracking shareware and its language filter to avoid said cracking.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by nzmsv on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:17AM (#27208957)
And I think what the comment meant was: the special license was driven more by consideration of the fellow countryman's economic situation than by appeasement of crackers. In reality it was probably a bit of both.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by gowld on Monday May 17, 2021 @12:59PM (#27185606)
> I believe it's not related.

Not related to what? Law enforcement risks are probably not related. Discouraging piracy outside of Russia, more likely related.

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by Lex-2008 on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:55AM (#27184899)
I believe I saw it in the FAR file manager.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by huhtenberg on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:02PM (#27186236)
The earliest I've seen this trick was in Far Manager [1], back when it was a commercial software.

Made by Eugene Roshal, the author of RAR format and WinRar, Far Manager distribution included a text file in Russian that explained how a comrade can do a full unlock in 2 easy steps. Don't know if it helped with sales, but I don't think it actually solved the cracking problem, because Roshal ended up open sourcing it despite of it having a very sizeable following.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_Manager

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by dmitrygr on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:16PM (#27185779)
I used to sell a lot of shareware software, priced around $15. For Russians it was much cheaper: 200 RUR, sent by postal mail transfer to my grandma who still lived in Russia. She got a small stream of income from it (negligible by USA standards), to augment the laughable pension.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by zrobotics on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:47PM (#27190759)
What an absolutely awesome idea! Sacrificing a (probably negligible from a western perspective) income stream to help your grandmother and help your countrymen simultaneously. Plus, avoids fees from sending money back to your grandmother; and any dollar that middleman remittance companies don't get is a net positive for the world.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by shard on Monday May 17, 2021 @08:50PM (#27190139)
That's smart and sweet at the same time.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by devenvdev on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:32PM (#27189638)
This is some two-steps thinking which is not the default mode for most humans AFAIK. The "Russians won't pay for this but that means there won't be a crack for the rest" line of thought seems like an easy insight, but it's not IMO.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by grishka on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:13PM (#27185748)
Am Russian. This made me smile.
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Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by grishka on Monday May 17, 2021 @05:32PM (#27188709)
Piracy is not a theft because it doesn't deprive anyone of anything.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by NaturalPhallacy on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:19PM (#27189101)
Yep. People are surprised when I say things like this as a software developer.

I'm paid to create software, not for copies of software. The difference is subtle but very important.

Copyright: literally the right to copy, as if monks haven't been copying books by hand since writing existed - and "Imaginary Property" - a concept invented so they can pretend information is scarce so needs to be owned and hoarded - were invented by lawyers, for the exclusive benefit of lawyers and the people who can afford lawyers, which is to say those already rich in actual scarce resources, as a means to extract value from the working class.

Humans, and future humans are the most valuable potential resource we possess as a species within a universe that is harsh and unforgiving with terrifying real scarcity. And in all my reading, and searching of the heavens and space as far as we can see according to astronomers including the SETI project, there are no gods, and not even any more advanced civilizations to help us. So to me, the idea that we came up with ways to enforce artificial scarcity of information which could save us from eventual extinction is baffling to me. When someone says "we need copyright" I hear "I hate humanity and want it to die". What if copyright turns out to be the Great Filter?

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by grishka on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:03PM (#27189444)
Any law only works if the majority of the population is on board with it. Especially when breaking it doesn't result in any damage. (Lost profits off of potentially selling an imaginary right to a particular sequence of bits aren't damage.) Copyright simply doesn't work because most people either don't care or are actively against it. Marijuana prohibition doesn't work either for the same exact reason.

Now, I would respect copyright, but only if two things change. First, it should last no more than 3 years for creative works and the term should be dependent on the field for patents. Second, it should not be transferable.

> and not even any more advanced civilizations to help us

I think there are other civilizations. The universe is unimaginably immense, it's very much improbable that there aren't other planets with life. And, we can't completely disregard the idea that we aren't the first advanced civilization on earth.

> What if copyright turns out to be the Great Filter?

That's unlikely. My bet would be that there are other intelligent civilizations, they're more advanced than us, and they're watching us waiting for us to discover something before allowing any contact. That could be the origin of life, or the theory of everything, or a free/extremely efficient energy source, or some kind of spaceship engine that would allow faster than light travel, or any number of things really. It might be something social, but probably not copyright — world peace maybe? Or some entirely novel type of economy that benefits everyone instead of making the richest even richer and everyone else miserable?

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by astrange on Monday May 17, 2021 @05:52PM (#27188891)
It deprives you of future work from the developer. Costs are real even if they're not marginal costs.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by NaturalPhallacy on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:20PM (#27189111)
Non-sequitur. Many developers have and always will contribute for free to open source projects, and freeware.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by mycologos on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:57PM (#27189401)
Sure, and other developers want to get paid for their contributions, so they use copyrights. Pirating those pieces of software is only not theft in the narrow sense of not literally taking an object that can only belong to one person. But it's clearly breaking some sort of agreement of exchange that the creator tried to build into this process, which is some kind of immoral.

That's not to say that every copyright is good or makes sense, but blanket statements like "piracy is not theft" are either so narrowly scoped to be useless ("it's not theft, it's some other unethical action") or ... wrong?

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by astrange on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:20PM (#27189554)
The summary meme for this argument tree can be found here: https://twitter.com/Tata_Boj/status/1256665190583672832?s=20
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by astrange on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:20PM (#27189556)
And you’re not pirating when you’re using those projects.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by pawnednow on Monday May 17, 2021 @05:41PM (#27188785)
Is this really necessary ? Its true for every other country.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by EastSmith on Monday May 17, 2021 @04:21PM (#27187964)
IBExpert (firebird GUI), used to have something like this in cyrilic in Help -> About: "If you can read this, this program is free for use for you. Have a nice day."
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by slim on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:23PM (#27185844)
It's fair because russians don't have any means to pay in dollars. That's why they crack
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by hvis on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:55PM (#27186159)
That was more or less true in the 90s, at least.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by AussieWog93 on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:11PM (#27189041)
I sell open-source hardware and get plenty of sales to Russia and even occasionally China in USD. I think they appreciate the fact I don't charge stupid shipping fees to people in smaller markets.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by selivanovp on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @06:22AM (#27192953)
Russians pay in Rubles, but banks/payment gateways convert them to your currency, so for you Russians will pay in dollars.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by at_a_remove on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:49AM (#27184823)
Even more amusing -- if Russian, then use a different license scheme.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by ma2rten on Monday May 17, 2021 @11:57AM (#27184920)
They would likely notice once they fire up a disassembler or debugger.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by jonny_eh on Monday May 17, 2021 @12:16PM (#27185165)
Plus, I don’t think anyone in Russia would pay anyways. So it’s not like making it free would lose sales.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by konart on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:49PM (#27186748)
>Plus, I don’t think anyone in Russia would pay anyways.

Not in the 90s, that's for sure.

Steam change this for games market though when they case to russian market with local prices.

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by tick_tock_tick on Monday May 17, 2021 @04:12PM (#27187862)
I wonder if we will see a surge of eastern EU countries cracking again since the EU is banning local pricing in the region.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by iDisagreedEar on Monday May 17, 2021 @02:28PM (#27186501)
I have a similar situation, most of my paying customers live in the united States, a few in Europe, and a rare 1 person outside those areas.

I give away free content, so I don't mind if people use the website, but I have no incentive to create topics specific to (third world) users. They have never paid, and from interactions with them, they can't afford their own lives, let alone buying my products for under $10USD.

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by ptr2voidStar on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:57PM (#27190811)
> ... from my interactions with them, they can't afford their own lives ...

That's a tad condescending.

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by ptr2voidStar on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:55PM (#27190803)
Brilliant move. I must admit, I wouldn't have thought of that ... (would be more hellbent on fighting ...).

There's a life lesson in there, I'm sure.

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by forgithubs on Monday May 17, 2021 @12:12PM (#27185107)
Wow, make them become lazy