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Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by grishka on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:13PM (#27185748)
Am Russian. This made me smile.
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Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by grishka on Monday May 17, 2021 @05:32PM (#27188709)
Piracy is not a theft because it doesn't deprive anyone of anything.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by NaturalPhallacy on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:19PM (#27189101)
Yep. People are surprised when I say things like this as a software developer.

I'm paid to create software, not for copies of software. The difference is subtle but very important.

Copyright: literally the right to copy, as if monks haven't been copying books by hand since writing existed - and "Imaginary Property" - a concept invented so they can pretend information is scarce so needs to be owned and hoarded - were invented by lawyers, for the exclusive benefit of lawyers and the people who can afford lawyers, which is to say those already rich in actual scarce resources, as a means to extract value from the working class.

Humans, and future humans are the most valuable potential resource we possess as a species within a universe that is harsh and unforgiving with terrifying real scarcity. And in all my reading, and searching of the heavens and space as far as we can see according to astronomers including the SETI project, there are no gods, and not even any more advanced civilizations to help us. So to me, the idea that we came up with ways to enforce artificial scarcity of information which could save us from eventual extinction is baffling to me. When someone says "we need copyright" I hear "I hate humanity and want it to die". What if copyright turns out to be the Great Filter?

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by grishka on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:03PM (#27189444)
Any law only works if the majority of the population is on board with it. Especially when breaking it doesn't result in any damage. (Lost profits off of potentially selling an imaginary right to a particular sequence of bits aren't damage.) Copyright simply doesn't work because most people either don't care or are actively against it. Marijuana prohibition doesn't work either for the same exact reason.

Now, I would respect copyright, but only if two things change. First, it should last no more than 3 years for creative works and the term should be dependent on the field for patents. Second, it should not be transferable.

> and not even any more advanced civilizations to help us

I think there are other civilizations. The universe is unimaginably immense, it's very much improbable that there aren't other planets with life. And, we can't completely disregard the idea that we aren't the first advanced civilization on earth.

> What if copyright turns out to be the Great Filter?

That's unlikely. My bet would be that there are other intelligent civilizations, they're more advanced than us, and they're watching us waiting for us to discover something before allowing any contact. That could be the origin of life, or the theory of everything, or a free/extremely efficient energy source, or some kind of spaceship engine that would allow faster than light travel, or any number of things really. It might be something social, but probably not copyright — world peace maybe? Or some entirely novel type of economy that benefits everyone instead of making the richest even richer and everyone else miserable?

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by astrange on Monday May 17, 2021 @05:52PM (#27188891)
It deprives you of future work from the developer. Costs are real even if they're not marginal costs.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by NaturalPhallacy on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:20PM (#27189111)
Non-sequitur. Many developers have and always will contribute for free to open source projects, and freeware.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by mycologos on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:57PM (#27189401)
Sure, and other developers want to get paid for their contributions, so they use copyrights. Pirating those pieces of software is only not theft in the narrow sense of not literally taking an object that can only belong to one person. But it's clearly breaking some sort of agreement of exchange that the creator tried to build into this process, which is some kind of immoral.

That's not to say that every copyright is good or makes sense, but blanket statements like "piracy is not theft" are either so narrowly scoped to be useless ("it's not theft, it's some other unethical action") or ... wrong?

Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by astrange on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:20PM (#27189554)
The summary meme for this argument tree can be found here: https://twitter.com/Tata_Boj/status/1256665190583672832?s=20
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by astrange on Monday May 17, 2021 @07:20PM (#27189556)
And you’re not pirating when you’re using those projects.
Re:Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate by pawnednow on Monday May 17, 2021 @05:41PM (#27188785)
Is this really necessary ? Its true for every other country.