If the thousand talents program means this achievement doesn't belong to them, then landing on the moon belongs to the Germans.

The original claim was "China had to develop all space technology on their own", which is not correct. No one claimed that there wasn't German V-2 technology used in the U.S. space program. Likewise, von Braun acknowledged that their work built on that of Robert Goddard in the U.S.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161834. What an utterly wretched flamewar. I'd scold all of you individually, but it would be too much work.

Please read the site guidelines and take them in more deeply. There's a lot there:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You mean compared to the US to use the largest spy organisation in the world to spy on contracts, technology, business secrets, and personal information of business leaders of other nations to get an edge.

It always buffles me how Americans can complain about things that China does (in the business world) while being perfectly fine about what their own government does in the same space. Many actually actively promote it.

Just remember, by your definition, the US "stole" textile technology from the UK. [1]

[1] https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-na...

Absolutely they did, but that's like saying your neighbor offended your great great great great great grandfather 143 years ago so you're justified in sleeping with his wife.

Except that it’s nothing like that at all. Nations are very different entities than individuals.

For one thing, they have a longer lifespan. The comparison of a young US stealing IP from an industrialized Britain to a young PRC stealing IP from an industrialized US makes much more sense. The argument being that “stealing IP” is what nations do to industrialize all the time.

No, it's about your neighbor slept with the wife of your great great great great great grandfather 143 years ago, and he's offspring is biting his teeth, alleging you slept with his wife, coz he probably learnt that someone can sleep with others' wife from his ancestor.

That's funny. The thousand talents program is about attracting talents globally. Now who are you to say that those talents are 'yours' not 'theirs'? How about those talents the US attracted before because 'everyone likes the freedom here'? Are those not stolen simply because the US did it under a different political banner?

Good, are those who joined the thousand talents program the property of the US?

If you insist on the 'involuntary' part, well, all of you stole paper from China.

>IP theft

I hope that one day we look back on Imaginary Property and the silly notion that pure information is a scarce resource that can be owned, and realize what a terrible anti-humanist idea it is. It was a concept dreamt up by lawyers primarily for lawyers.

Funnily enough, Elon Musk agrees, at least with regard to Tesla imaginary property: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you I'd hope he has the same approach with SpaceX things, but I admit I haven't looked into it as of this comment.

Put your statement in some minimal check. The IP theft you are referring are just random business patent whose sole purpose is to prevent market competition...

If you think a Mars Rover can be copied, well, you better copy one yourself...

Everyone stands in the shoulders of those who came before, and that is a good thing.

The US didn't invent physics, didn't invent gunpowder, oil, math, textiles, ROCKETS, etc. But they did "acquire" them all, somehow.

> China runs the largest IP theft program in the world.

Most IP has been given to them by "businessmen" trying to gain and edge and betting wrong. That is not theft, if anything, is stupidity. To the degree China has stolen trade secrets, do you really think no other country has a corporate spy program? Do you not know who the biggest ip "thief" in the world is?

Ah yes, so the chinese were "given" the designs to other military aircrafts which is why their fighter jets look identical to those from the USA and Russia?

[0]https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922...

...those don't look identical. It lists the J-20 as a knock off of the F-22, and you can even tell from the picture they use that they're radically different airframes.

Please explain the differences that you see because the philosophy looks pretty damn identical. Aside from the obvious addition of forward canards on the J-20, the two aircraft look nearly identical thanks to China’s access to classified F-22 development data. They were caught stealing from Lockheed Martin data on the F-22 program with a successful conviction in 2016

The wings have a completely different shape, the intakes are completely different, it doesn't have horizontal stabilizers, etc. I could go on.

Ah yes, all of the design similarities are just cosmetic, right? They certainly haven’t had their spies convicted of stealing American aviation technology ever?

Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for. Personal attacks are particularly not ok.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: since your account has been using HN exclusively for this, I've banned it. That's not an allowed use of HN, regardless of what you're for or against.