Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by hnnnnnnng on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:13PM
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Yes but the government doesn't prosecute itself (see the director of the NSA lying to congress while under oath) and corporations are only ever hit with tiny fines they can pretty much ignore.
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by blacksmith_tb on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:17PM
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It's appalling, though the Techcrunch piece doesn't provide the annoying detail that the 19yr-old who submitted 7.7M fakes did it in support of Net Neutrality[1] - with friends like this...
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by dpwm on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:27PM
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> The broadband industry funded the fraudulent creation of about 8.5 million of those, while a 19-year-old college student submitted 7.7 million, and the remainder came from unknown but spurious sources.
The article doesn’t explicitly say that the comments funded by the broadband industry were in favour of rolling back net neutrality, so I had to guess on that one too.
Thinking about it some more makes me question these assumptions. It seems plausible that putting forward straw-man arguments to be robustly demolished could be a useful tactic to those interested in manipulation.
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by crumpled on Friday May 07, 2021 @12:37AM
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I've been pondering the problem this plays into. It's likely that at least some portion of the remaining 20% of commenters were influenced by the fakes. Those people could see the techcrunch article as bogus, fake news.
I wonder how we can somehow slow (slower than fact) disinfo and test information for credibility. People's GPUs are gonna spin up an information hellscape.
Where can I find the solutions that show promise so I can advocate for them? The outlook is depressing.
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by mint2 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @09:14PM
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If someone submits a comment and impersonates you, can they be sued for one of slander/libel/defamation?
Can they also be sued for identify theft?
If someone can be sued for making a false statement about you, why not when they willfully and knowingly steal your identify to make others believe you did something that you didn’t?
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by jimmygrapes on Thursday May 06, 2021 @08:11PM
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I am of the 20% I guess. My argument, which I can go into more (but only on demand: I believe I am shadowbanned so I need some proof otherwise before putting forth such effort), is that the Net Neutrality advocates did not recognize that existing regulation already addresses the concerns.
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by jjeaff on Thursday May 06, 2021 @08:24PM
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If existing regulations already solved the issues, then you wouldn't see existing ISPs giving unlimited data as long as you are using their special pet services or partner services.
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by jimmygrapes on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:37PM
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But not to the explicit exclusion of other data streams, which was the primary concern of most proponents. And the mechanisms for implicitly excluded providers does already exist for them to challenge any such exclusion, were it to be proven.
Re:80% of the 22M comments on net neutrality rollback were fake
by jjeaff on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:52AM
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That wasn't the only concern. If you only give free data for certain services because they are a) already very popular or b) have enough money to pay for it, then you create a huge moat for the incumbents and make it much more difficult for any new, better alternatives to compete.
1: https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-technolog...
The article doesn’t explicitly say that the comments funded by the broadband industry were in favour of rolling back net neutrality, so I had to guess on that one too.
Thinking about it some more makes me question these assumptions. It seems plausible that putting forward straw-man arguments to be robustly demolished could be a useful tactic to those interested in manipulation.
I wonder how we can somehow slow (slower than fact) disinfo and test information for credibility. People's GPUs are gonna spin up an information hellscape.
Where can I find the solutions that show promise so I can advocate for them? The outlook is depressing.
Can they also be sued for identify theft?
If someone can be sued for making a false statement about you, why not when they willfully and knowingly steal your identify to make others believe you did something that you didn’t?