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Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by gumby on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:42PM (#27065883)
When my son was born (in the USA) there was an employee of the hospital who mounted an aggressive effort to have this done (doing these amputations was her job). Finally I made her go away by saying "It's his body and he can choose for himself when he is a legal adult".

Her disturbing response: "But if you let him choose he will say no."

Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by rubicon33 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @01:01PM (#27066154)
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know enough about circumcision to hold any kind of firm opinion on the matter. That said, my understanding has been that circumcision isn't just a religious practice, there are practical reasons too, namely hygiene.

There's plenty of examples where we do what's "best" for kids without their consent. Vaccines for example. So I don't really buy this "their body" argument, although I respect the merits.

Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by Chazprime on Thursday May 06, 2021 @01:56PM (#27066912)
> there are practical reasons too, namely hygiene.

That's not a valid reason to have it done.

It's easy to keep yourself clean and I've never once heard of anyone getting sores because they failed to wash for an extended period of time.

Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by ralusek on Thursday May 06, 2021 @01:08PM (#27066228)
The health/hygiene argument has been thoroughly dismantled. That argument is akin to saying that we should remove people's teeth so that they don't have to deal with cavities. The only time there is a difference in hygiene between a circumcised and uncircumcised penis is if they both go unwashed for an extended period of time. I also don't buy these utilitarian arguments. If someone wants to trade the benefits of an uncircumcised penis for those of a circumcised penis, they can make that permanent decision for themselves.
Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by leafmeal on Thursday May 06, 2021 @02:05PM (#27067043)
While I generally agree with you and wouldn't circumcise any child, data seems to support that circumcision reduces transmission of some STIs

> Three randomized clinical trials showed that adult male circumcision significantly reduced the risk for HIV acquisition among heterosexual males by 51%–60% (95% confidence interval 16%–76%) over time. These trials also found that medically performed adult circumcision significantly reduced the risk of men acquiring two common sexually transmitted infections (STIs), including genital ulcer disease (GUD) prevalence by 47% and incidence by 48% and high-risk (i.e. oncogenic) types of human papilloma virus (HR-HPV) prevalence by 23%–47%.

It also seems to reduce the risk of UTIs

> Male circumcision has been shown to reduce the risk of urinary tract infections inmales aged 0–1 years by 90%, in males aged 1–16 years by 85%, and in males >16 years by 71%.

This data is from a report from the CDC https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/58456

Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by layoutIfNeeded on Thursday May 06, 2021 @02:21PM (#27067234)
Sure, it reduces STI transmission rates, because the mucous membrane (the inside of the foreskin) gets cut off, and the exposed glans also becomes keratinized due to years of abrasion against the underwear. No mucous membranes = lower chance for pathogens to enter the body.

Now, whether these would worth the tradeoff with reduced sensitivity, surgical risks (e.g. reduced sexual function due to tight scar formation), the psychological trauma for the infant, etc. is another question.

Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by leafmeal on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:48PM (#27078689)
Look, I agree with you. I don't think we should mess with anyone's genitals without their consent. I'm just pointing out that there's data to support the health concerns.
Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by hackflip on Thursday May 06, 2021 @02:30PM (#27067356)
Let's take it a step further. We can reduce STI transmission to zero if we remove all of everyone's genitals.
Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by leafmeal on Friday May 07, 2021 @01:53PM (#27078754)
Look, I agree with you. I don't think we should mess with anyone's genitals without their consent. I'm just pointing out that there's data to support the health concerns.

Obviously there's some trade off here, and I don't think it's worth it to circumcise anyone without their consent or medical necessity.

Re:Persuading the Body to Regenerate Its Limbs by layoutIfNeeded on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:11PM (#27069086)
Exactly. Also, we can 100% eliminate nail fungus and ingrown nails (it can cause serious infections!) if we surgically remove the nail root of infants. It's a super simple surgery, and modern men has no use for nails anyway!