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Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by prepend on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:12AM (#27024606)
I find that the problem is last mile. I’ve lived in 4 areas in the Us where I received a lot of mail. 3/4 were amazing and everything came quickly. I assumed all USPS was great.

For the last 10 years my post office has had many problems. Packages where tracking shows it “out for delivery” but it never arrives. The electronic delivery email sends scans of letters “arriving today” that don’t come until the next day. Drivers who put “redelivery notices” in the mailbox rather than door saying I wasn’t available, backdated to previous days.

It’s very strange because contacting the postmaster just results in odd excuses, for example, I was told that the delivery driver was really busy that day and couldn’t make it to my house. I live in suburbia in a neighborhood with hundreds of houses.

So this post office sucks. It seems drivers suck, management sucks and that results in slow and missing mail.

I travel a bit and like to send post cards to family, including my own. A post card to my house consistently arrives 2-4 days after the card to a family member in a zip code 50 miles way, an even more remote suburb. This seems consistent from very remote locations as well as domestic. Curious.

My soft conclusion is that the “systematic” portions of the USPS are reliable and good. But the “local” portions are hit or miss.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by ndespres on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:26AM (#27024762)
In my rural area, one of the "last mile" problems is that there's now an extra leg. Since the small local post offices no longer hand-sort mail, but drive it to a larger hub post office that has the address OCR machines to auto-sort it, a cross-town letter that used to be delivered same day or next day now takes 3 days or more due to the extra round trip. Add that on top of all the extra work the USPS is doing with pandemic-related package shipment and I'm sure there is a lot of backlog at many points in the system.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by 34679 on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:39AM (#27025647)
To further point out the ridiculousness of preventing local post offices from sorting mail: For 8 years, my landlord and I had PO Boxes at the same small town post office. You'd think one could just hand rent to the teller, who my landlord and I both knew by name, so she could walk the ~8 feet and put it in my landlord's box. But that wasn't allowed. Delivery to the same post office the letter was mailed from took a few days to a week because they had to send it off to a sorting center and wait for it to be sent back.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by wrycoder on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:05PM (#27032932)
Yes, mail just put in the slot in my town goes to another town 40 miles away for sorting and comes back the next day.

We used to have a basket at the window where one could drop PO box mail for the same town, and it would be distributed directly. COVID killed that.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by cutemonster on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @07:41PM (#27044263)
How was that related to covid? (Risk for virus on the envelopes somehow? or too crowded over at the window?)
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by wrycoder on Sunday May 09, 2021 @10:05AM (#27095988)
The plastic shields took up the counter space.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by rtpg on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:03AM (#27025198)
Through work we deal with Japan Post, and there a letter can get basically anywhere in the mainland from anywhere else in one business day.

Granted, the nation is one-dimensional in shape so things are helped there, but the reliability is expected.

On one hand, I think overworking mail workers isn’t worth it. On the other hand tho, surely there’s a way to make this stuff work better than requiring 3 days to move a letter across town.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by pas on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:39AM (#27025645)
Well, if you really want that thing delivered you have other options, right? FedEx, DHL, other private companies.

The whole problem is that USPS has a lot of obligations that those other courier services don't, and it has to amortize costs.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by agotterer on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:16AM (#27025356)
Exactly 33 days ago I sent 8 letters from Long Island, New York. 7 of the letters were destined for New York City (a 40 min drive from its origin) and 1 letter destined for Georgia. Within the first seven days 6 of the letters arrived, 5 to NYC and the 1 to GA. Letter #7 arrived in NYC 3 weeks after being sent. As of today letter #8 still hasn't arrived or been returned.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by downrightmike on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:21AM (#27026246)
I'm amazed that USPS can somehow keep up with all the sprawl. It has to cost a lot to run out all these trucks to suburbia, for what? $0.40 per piece?
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by prepend on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:44PM (#27027314)
I used to love USPS and was kind of in awe of them because they do just what you describe.

However, they have a fixed, predictable surface that they must cover and should be able to plan costs better than most organizations.

They also frequently increase prices so should be able to factor driving a jeep every day over, effectively, the surface area of every street in the US where someone lives.

So it seems like the cost is high, but predictable so just work it out.

It’s a weird situation where they have a monopoly, set a cost-plus price, and yet still fail to meet the need.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by downrightmike on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:58PM (#27027545)
It doesn't help that the USPS was gutted last year on purpose by someone who stood and still stands to profit off of killing it.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by tomcam on Monday May 03, 2021 @04:33PM (#27030279)
How and by whom?
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by jdlshore on Monday May 03, 2021 @08:13PM (#27032573)
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by ziml77 on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:34AM (#27024877)
That's an interesting thought and would certainly explain why I haven't been able to relate to the issues people say they have the USPS.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by Spooky23 on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:17AM (#27025367)
There’s always been local politics and issues around mail delivery.

The GOP crusade against the post office is sort of like a weaponization of certain types of resentment in the south that worked it’s way into conservative media over the years at a national scale.

It’s an organization that has adapted over the centuries to new technology and needs. USPS fundamentally transformed most recently when rail-based mail sorting changed 50 years ago.

The difference now is that some people feel that government should not work.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by prepend on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:49PM (#27027384)
I hear this a lot, but the problems I’ve had seem to be during dem and republican administrations and in dem and republication controlled states and counties.

So the problems that I’ve witnessed seem unrelated to budget pressure issues.

So I suppose it’s curious how some places are awesome despite the “crusade” while other places suck.

Of course I’ve only had my own experiences as I can’t find any real performance data. Seems actually odd how USPS doesn’t track these metrics much less publish them. For example, what percent letters delivered within 2-3 days. Why isn’t this tracked to the sorting level? Seems like it would actually be pretty easy to add a code to the postmark when received and track it in the sorting machines, etc etc. But this isn’t done.

Anyway, this may be the fault. But perhaps it’s a result of the crappiness and lack of efficiency, etc. It’s hard to tell, but hard for me to do anything with as it seems to me like performance depends so much on local post offices and performance was either good or bad consistently, over time.

If there was a crusade against the post office that affected performance, I would expect degradation over time, over all locations.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by epakai on Monday May 03, 2021 @04:07PM (#27030009)
USPS post quarterly delivery statistics.

Look under Mailing Services Measurement Results: https://about.usps.com/what/performance/service-performance/

Each table for a service type has ~10 years worth of nationwide annual percent on-time delivery. It's harder to compare individual geographic areas (you can change the URL to go back a year or two, not sure where older reports are).

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by Spooky23 on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:28PM (#27033773)
A big entity like USPS will have its share of effective and shitty branches. And no political party has a monopoly on incompetence.

It’s very evident that the GOP has taken many actions to weaken the finances of the Postal Service and systematically politicize and dismantle parts of it.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by tchanglington on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:14AM (#27024627)
The problem with the last mile is that there’s a lot of them. Even more if you’re in suburbia, where the number of people living in the last mile is comparable to people living in the last block or so in the city.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by prepend on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:52PM (#27027452)
Out of my 4 spots, 2 are urban and 2 are suburban. I’ve had a great suburban experience, 1 bad. Both urban were really good.

It seems like suburban mail delivery should be easy to predict and factor into cost.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by ohples on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:27AM (#27024778)
Yet another reason why suburbia is expensive and not sustainable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVUeqxXwCA0
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by bobmaxup on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:42AM (#27024963)
> This is where Americans go to vacation then return to their depressingly soul-crushingly dystopian car dependent suburbs

This video probably isn't the best source to build a persuasive argument from.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by sillyquiet on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:28AM (#27024811)
Yeah, remaking society seems like a just and scaleable solution
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by ectopod on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:51AM (#27025071)
You don't have to remake the whole of society. Just stop making more of the bits that don't work.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by sillyquiet on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:28AM (#27026331)
As simple as that huh? Wonder why that hasn't been tried before.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by jeffbee on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:33AM (#27024856)
Ladies and gentlemen I present Sunk Cost Mentality.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by sillyquiet on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:29AM (#27026344)
Yep, such costs such as the freedom to choose not to live in some utopian urban beehive. Find a better solution.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by faitswulff on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:11AM (#27025307)
Let’s not pretend the USPS was anywhere near this bad before Trump’s appointment of Louis DeJoy to postmaster general: “Mail Service Deteriorated After Postmaster General Louis DeJoy’s Arrival, Watchdog Found” (wsj) https://www.wsj.com/articles/mail-service-deteriorated-after...
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by prepend on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:50PM (#27027412)
My most recent post office has sucked since I moved here in 2009. To me, it seems like it has been consistently terrible. I wish we had more objective performance measures.