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Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by ardit33 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:10PM (#26974244)
maybe that's what happens when you give designers too much power. They will create something beautiful at the expense of daily usability.

You need some balance. The key is to produce the best looking product without compromising functionality or usability.

Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by zukzuk on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:19PM (#26974353)
Designers design for usability. The idea that design is about "making things pretty" is on par with the idea that software development is about making computers crunch numbers.
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by dylan604 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:56PM (#26974755)
Not sure I agree with that. The trashcan MacPro was definitely not useable as far as what Pro Mac users wanted/needed. That was definitely designed for the designer's sake totally misunderstanding the user's needs.
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by davidivadavid on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @06:14PM (#26974913)
So it was just bad design.
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by pembrook on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @06:16PM (#26974926)
So it was poorly designed.

Not sure how that has anything to do with the parent's argument.

Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by dylan604 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @06:20PM (#26974967)
>Designers design for usability.

It wasn't usable for the majority of the market. Even in the infamous mea culpa Apple made about it, they admitted they designed themselves into a corner. It was designed so poorly, they had to take years to undo it after admitting it needed to be done.

Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by ska on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @07:40PM (#26975620)
Right, but that doesn't change the fact that usability is part of design, not something separable from it.

GP was complaining about the common and incorrect trope that design is limited to aesthetics.

Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by mrkstu on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @08:14PM (#26975848)
I think he was complaining that Apple was the one that had lost the plot and had started separating the two, not that they should be.
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by ska on Thursday April 29, 2021 @12:52PM (#26983542)
I think it's pretty much impossible to determine apple's intent here, for the obvious reasons.
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by read_if_gay_ on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:24PM (#26974400)
So fundamentally correct?
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by lurkerasdfh8 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:56PM (#26974756)
> Designers design for usability.

In theory.

In practice, designers design for two things: market demand, and personal predilection.

Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by davidivadavid on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @06:15PM (#26974923)
So like everyone who does any job, sure.
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by lurkerasdfh8 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @07:43PM (#26975639)
Not in every job your personal predilection is part of your literal resume.
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by dkdbejwi383 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:45PM (#26974628)
Design isn’t just about how something looks, but also how it behaves
Re:Apple Reports Second Quarter Results by anonymouse008 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @05:33PM (#26974490)
Bam! Jobs was the counter weight in that relationship.