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Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by simonblack on Friday April 16, 2021 @09:15PM (#26840795)
Cost.

No, not the cost of construction, though that's fairly pricey.

No, not the cost of production. That's actually the best part about nuclear energy. It's remarkably cheap and safe for energy production.

The biggest, costliest and most horrific thing about nuclear energy is what you do after you have finished using that nuclear power station.

You have, quite often, thousands or even millions of tons of radioactive waste to dispose of. Where do you put that? How do you dismantle the construction without causing contamination of the site and the surroundings for miles around? What about the medical costs of looking after the demolition workers as they develop cancers later in life?

But don't take my word for it. Look at Chernobyl and Fukushima. If the task wasn't so difficult, why are those disaster areas still existing? Chernobyl was nearly forty years ago. Fukushima was ten years ago. Still causing problems.

Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by airhead969 on Friday April 16, 2021 @09:53PM (#26840982)
Ex energy worker here.

In the US, nuclear power plant projects live or die based on i) regulatory approval (social and technical approval) and ii) insurance. Insurance makes or breaks the project, and currently, there is essentially no way to move forward but in a limited number of circumstances.

Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by ec109685 on Friday April 16, 2021 @11:19PM (#26841345)
Chernobyl and Fukushima cleanup length and cost are a byproduct of this belief:

"The official model guiding US government policy, both at the EPA and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), is the Linear No Threshold model (LNT). LNT says that cancer risk is directly proportional to dose, that doses are cumulative over time (rate doesn‘t matter), and that there is no threshold or safe dose.?

The author points out that the danger of long term low level radiation is much smaller than what is commonly believed, which means that cleanup does not need to be as thorough and expensive.

Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by aeternum on Friday April 16, 2021 @11:53PM (#26841458)
This is the big question. It seems to me that LNT is definitely wrong, there is a threshold. The question is.. what is that threshold, and how likely is it that biological system will actually trigger that threshold, IE food chains and other natural phenomena.

Cleanup may not need to be as expensive as we thought, but isn't the only way to tell for sure.. loss of human life / cancer?

Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by simonblack on Saturday April 17, 2021 @03:50AM (#26842417)
It seems to me that LNT is definitely wrong, there is a threshold. The question is.. what is that threshold

Coincidentally, my brother was a PhD in Zoology and his doctorate thesis back in the 1960s was whether or not there is a threshold for radiation damage on fruit-flies. His results indicated that there was no threshold. Radiation damage is proportional to the dosage.

Nature, 1961 "Radiosensitive Stages in the Spermatogenesis of Drosophila melanogaster" - Strangio, V. A.

The actual thesis is a bit too technical for my complete understanding.

Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by andi999 on Saturday April 17, 2021 @06:12AM (#26843085)
The alternative hypothesis is activation, that is that low doses of radiation are actually benificial to organism. There seems to be some evidence, and that's why people sometimes deliberately inhale radon. Cf https://www.bad-kreuznach-tourist.de/en/health-resort-therap...
Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by jonny_eh on Saturday April 17, 2021 @10:16AM (#26844431)
Please don't inhale radon!
Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by andi999 on Saturday April 17, 2021 @02:12PM (#26846228)
Why would I?
Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by jonny_eh on Sunday April 18, 2021 @03:50PM (#26855719)
> people sometimes deliberately inhale radon

People do dumb things when they read stuff like this.

Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by nate_meurer on Saturday April 17, 2021 @12:24AM (#26841568)
Hinkley C in the UK is projected to cost at least £23 billion. Vogtle in the USA is projected to cost at least $27 billion.

These construction costs alone could be what finally kills nuclear power in the West.

Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by asdff on Saturday April 17, 2021 @03:04AM (#26842224)
This is the U.S. $27 billion is chump change this decade. We pay over $3 billion per mile of subway track now in NYC.
Re:Why has nuclear power been a flop? by marm7 on Saturday April 17, 2021 @04:45AM (#26842663)
Great summary. What’s your take on 4th generation reactors?