This is the same reason most of the gulf states are against the nuclear deal in its current form.
Proof is, again, that the strongest campaigner against keeping Iran's nuclear research under strict checks has always been Israel.
Throw in IAEA inspections and that whole rhetoric out of Israel becomes much less believable and might even reflect badly on Israel itself when the IAEA inspections show them to be not true.
I have no idea if this is what's happening; it's just a possible strategic rationale.
I am certain that nuclear weapons or not, Israel considers Iran enemy #1 and a real threat to be dealt with. A stronger Iran (via sanctions relief) is not in their interest.
With the current arms race with drones, missiles, hypersonic missiles, etc... I think Israel is worried that Iran will begin handing these weapons out to their proxies in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and escalate the war.
Iran's drone strike against Saudi Arabia's top oil refinery really highlighted that.
I think ensuring that no deal is better than the current format of the JCPOA. At least in the current situation, they can strike at Iran's weapons program to slow it down, and that there are no major inflows of money.
Personally, I think they'd be open to a new JCPOA that includes broader weapons controls.
It seems both sides are throwing threats around and it seems unfair to only mention Iran’s threats.
https://m.dw.com/en/israel-threatens-iran-over-nuclear-resea...
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israel-iran-iran-nuclea...
Country 1: Has actually threatened multiple times of wiping Country 2 off the map, all the while developing advanced military capabilities and sometimes unveiling them with writings on them of wiping Country 1 off.
Country 2: Has been threatening (and delivering) consequences to Country 1 over nuclear research and other offensive activities they have undertaken.
If that's unfair, then it is also unfair to leave out the fact that the Iranian government has murdered innocent US citizens and funded organizations that seek to murder large numbers of innocent US civilians. We should also mention the two countries differing views on religious freedom and women's rights, or even their differing views on the others right to exist.
Israel is built on the suffering of the Palestinians, taking their land and homes by force in the 1940's, but why didn't Iran take those displaced people in if they were so concerned about them? Or any other of the loudly protesting states that surround Israel? The answer is that the Mullahs only really care about holding on to the power they have, and just like the elite in the US like to use racism to distract from wealth inequality, so too do the Mullahs use Israel to distract Iranians from the fact that Iranian government isn't actually very good at its job of providing a peaceful, prosperous life of freedom for it's citizens.
It seems a real pity that such a wonderful people like the Persians must live under a feudal, fundamentalist religious dictatorship in the 21st century. That must really suck.
My guess is that if there is ever going to be an Islamic Reformation, it will happen in the US or Iran, and it will make the Arab Spring look like a blip on the radar, and it will be wonderful.
But then again, in 2016 we recently proved that 40% of Americans have a good chance of walking out of Star Wars believing that Darth Vader was the good guy. So what do I know?
I am not aware of any countries that have developed nukes while under NPT with active inspections. North Korea kicked out their inspectors and it took them 3 years after that to get a bomb.
It's simple - in their estimation, the net totality of the inspections + enforcement policy has value.
I'm not an expert, but most of the experts said it was the most comprehensive inspections regime on their supply chain, and any location in Iran except a few military sites which they could still request access.
The goal was to start cooperation and also the idea was to help an already weakened political party in Iran which is in favor of partnership with the west to gain more success, popularity, and public support, so over time the more conservative and anti-west parties and figures would lose their power and influence.
But we just gave their conservative parties the easiest propaganda excuse ("They don't honor their own agreement.").
Iran is actually quite reactive if you read their history. Iran is the devil we made, so everyone can make money out of it. Can you even count how much worth of arms sells are going to the Middle East every year? Not to mention oil market is on the table too. And those that are making big money will lobby everywhere to make sure that Iran remains "the threat". Peace with Iran isn't financially clever.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-u-n-inspectors-find-radioa...
Heck, the US doesn't even allow ICC inspectors into the country to interview possible witnesses to war crimes [0] or UN inspectors into domestic prisons [1]. Do you think the US would let any supranational organization just freely tour its military bases and nuclear facilities?
Yet when Iran wants that same respect for it's sovereignty, then that's somehow made out as some kind of evidence for their allegedly evil and sinister intentions.
[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-icc-idUSKCN1QW1ZH
[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-rights-un-usa-torture-idU...
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-militar...
Now you can argue Israel is also attacking those groups and you wouldn’t be wrong. It’s almost impossible to figure out who started each round. We only ever hear a very small part of the story.
It is a circle of violence that will hopefully one day end.
I think you already tried to say it, but remember Iran attacked an Israeli ship after 12 attacks to Iranians ships in 2020 by Israel. And 4 other Iranian ships were attacked in 2021 which two of them happened after Iran tried to retaliate by attacking an Israeli ship.
Israel clearly believes that the best defense is a good offense, but that strategy makes it harder to have any dialogue or peace.
They are hardly the victim.
That's all the US does, day and night. And they even say this publicly (although always implying that it is a good thing).
Hopefully one day that will change and we can be friends again as no one gains from the conflict.
Israel is a nuclear-armed ethnostate engaging in ethnic cleansing that protects these transgressions by operating as the FOB of the hegemonic world power that doesn't blink an eye at killing a million citizens in the region.
So long as Israel requires US support to safeguard their otherwise untenable position (and to force Arab dictatorships to act favorably towards Israel), Iran and Israel will be opposed.
Iran and Israel were allied before the revolution because the undemocratic government (not that the current one is anymore democratic otherwise) that was willing to act against its interests on the matter so long as the dominant foreign powers required it.
It's categorically false that no one gains from the conflict. Israel gains tremendously from the conflict as the antagonism between Iran and Israel and between Iran and the USA is what justifies its ability to get away with so much.
Not really. They have nothing to quarrel about.
But there is nothing democratic about today's Iran. Theocratic fascists on the other hand need an enemy to distract from complete failure of internal politics and collapsing economy due to spending all their resources on war and funding criminals and terrorists abroad.
I explicitly said they weren't. You're preaching for the choir.
>Not really. They have nothing to quarrel about.
Democratic states still have geopolitical interests. The interests of Israel are vehemently opposed to those of Iran. Thus, Iran and Israel will be in conflict. In fact, foreign policy-wise, democratic states are barely different from dictatorships.
Democracies are just as warmongering as any other. The US and most European countries didn't see any issue in bombing Syria and Libya back to slavery, so why do you think democratic Iran will be any better?
Dictatorships on the other hand don't care about squeezing their own populations to the bone for their war mongering. Well, until the point there is an uprising of course and they are burned down by the angry mob.
I live in Canada. If the constitution of this country specifically said it wasn't for me I would not accept that. If you disagree, that is your right.
also what are their gay pride parades like, and whats their policy on censorship, capital punishment,etc?
As for the other, those are orthogonal to the issues.
You are literally just doing whataboutism, but even worse because you're not whatabouting at the right people.
Once that's done, they'll use that money to make more missiles and arm the militia in middle east.
Can you elaborate? All the indications I've seen clearly point to the US wanting to reenter the deal. Biden denounced Trumps withdrawal numerous times during the campaign and vowed to bring the US back into the agreement. It was part of his presidential platform that he ran on, and he lifted several sanctions put in place by the Trump Administration on Iran when he initially got in office (first 2 weeks). If the US really wanted an excuse to stay out, this seems an odd way of going about it vs not saying anything at all and silently continuing Trump's policies.
It is really up to the US, if they want the JCPOA to move forward, to try and corral Israel (or better bring them in so they're fully onboard with JCPOA).
"Israel among the U.S.’s most threatening cyber-adversaries and as a “hostile” foreign intelligence service." [2]
"Israel’s snooping upset White House because information was used to lobby Congress to try to sink a deal" [3]
[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-nsa-document-highlights-is...
[2] https://theintercept.com/2015/03/25/netanyahus-spying-denial...
[3] https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427...
I'd also like to add that this is unfortunately very common. Everybody in the world wants Americans to think a certain way because of the amount of military and economic power the country wields. This ranges from "come visit Mexico" to "the Palestinians are terrorists" to China using Tik Tok (or Russian disinformation campaigns against vaccines) to manipulate people into pro-X stances.
The whole world has turned into an ad.
It actually increases the likelihood that they will rejoin the JCPOA under the original limits.
If not, you should read up on AIPAC and who speaks at their events year after year.
Tell them to go cozy up to Russia, make good on that ‘threat’, have fun with that
If Iranian lawmakers believe these attacks were by the US (they possibly do believe that), they will be less willing to enter an agreement with the US, and Israel furthers it's goal of isolating it's adversary, Iran.