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Re:Prince Philip has died by nullsense on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:27AM (#26749128)
I really wish we could just do away with all this royal family nonsense.

You guys are somehow special because what? Useless social fiction from antiquity.

Re:Prince Philip has died by Thorentis on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:06AM (#26749444)
I find the idea of a royal family far more inspiring and wholesome than the celebrity culture which has overtaken the West. The vast majority of celebrities get far more air time, live in more obscene luxury, and are more condescending, than the entire royal family put together. One of my biggest worries about Meghan was that celebrity culture would begin seeping into the royal family - and unfortunately it looks like that is what is happening.
Re:Prince Philip has died by nullsense on Friday April 09, 2021 @06:42PM (#26757112)
Wholesome and inspiring aye?

Does that sentiment extend to Henry VIII?

Monarchy is not something to be celebrated.

Re:Prince Philip has died by christophilus on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:25AM (#26749642)
I find both disappointing but unsurprising.
Re:Prince Philip has died by Grustaf on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:35AM (#26749193)
It's obviously not a social fiction, regardless of what you may think about monarchy in general.

They have power because they inherited it from someone that conquered it. Just like people may inherit companies and fortunes.

Re:Prince Philip has died by bidirectional on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:16AM (#26749547)
Not at all in the case of Elizabeth II. She holds the throne because parliament gave it to her ancestor, George I, to avoid a Catholic inheriting the throne.
Re:Prince Philip has died by Grustaf on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:47AM (#26750510)
Well, George I was born a duke of the Holy Roman Empire and a relative of the queen, so it's not like the picked someone off the streets.

Besides, to a modern democrat, what could be more legitimate that receiving something from parliament?

Re:Prince Philip has died by baybal2 on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:38AM (#26749758)
Yes, another tidbit, UK barely avoided getting a German monarch by 2 years. Otherwise they may have ended with a Prussian on the throne
Re:Prince Philip has died by cygx on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:57AM (#26749951)
Instead, the heir now descends from the houses Battenberg ('Mountbatten') and Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha ('Windsor')...
Re:Prince Philip has died by Grustaf on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:43AM (#26750455)
Surely George I _was_ German?
Re:Prince Philip has died by andrepd on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:25AM (#26750255)
Yes, that is indeed the point.
Re:Prince Philip has died by samizdis on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:55AM (#26749343)
I'd suggest that centuries of tradition have value, not least for the older generations of Brits, but especially for the tourist dollars drawn to the pageantry. Yes, it's a bit Disney, but it has a little more class and visitors seem to love it.
Re:Prince Philip has died by nindalf on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:02AM (#26749395)
France got rid of their monarchy some time ago. They still get plenty of tourism. I can give plenty of other examples where the royal family was let go and tourism continued to flourish. The important thing is that all of the palaces and castles would still exist and become open to the public as museums. If anything, tourism would improve if people could visit Buckingham Palace like they visit the Palace at Versailles.
Re:Prince Philip has died by samizdis on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:09AM (#26749463)
That's a good point, and well made, but it is still the case that royal-themed souvenirs fly off the shelves and also that overseas visitors flock to any royal/state spectacle when in the UK; mostly, I reckon, for the sheer anachronistic oddity and weirdness.

But we probably have no need to get rid of our monarchy, the family seems to be doing that job for us. When that happens, we can see whether tourist revenues go up or down :-)

Re:Prince Philip has died by evgen on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:51AM (#26749879)
Maybe if you did a bit of basic research you would learn that the public _can_ visit Buckingham Palace and tour various rooms that were basically mini-museums containing parts of the royal collections. Last time I popped in was soon after watching Tim's Vermeer when I learned that the picture in question had been rotated into the collection on display.

It is absolutely amazing to see so many people who obviously have no skin in this particular game crawling out from under their rocks to share their strongly held beliefs about the royal family, as if the rest of us give a toss about your opinion...

Re:Prince Philip has died by zpeti on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:09AM (#26749459)
Yeah, that getting rid of the monarchy thing, that worked out well in France.
Re:Prince Philip has died by oblio on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:24AM (#26749632)
If you're trying to be ironic, you have to keep in mind France is and has been a republic for 160 years.

So yeah, getting rid of the monarchy seems to have worked.

Re:Prince Philip has died by pndy on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:03AM (#26749416)
You might want to educate yourself on Europe's monarchy history, the British monarchy - it's a quite interesting topic and definitely not some kind of... fad. Elizabeth II still holds the throne while American presidents come and go.
Re:Prince Philip has died by nullsense on Friday April 09, 2021 @06:58PM (#26757228)
Sure. But why is this celebrated?

Today it's seen as almost quaint and cutesy. The history of it all is anything but. The monarchy originally would have gained power like most other cases in world history where someone raised an army and took it by force. That, while not my favourite thing, is legitimate. After parliament became a thing and the monarchy was no longer running the show, what legitimacy does it have? What's the need to keep it? Who would stop anyone getting rid of it? The monarchy themselves aren't in the position to raise an army and conquer the nation again.

What it is today vs. how it originated leave me feeling like there is a big disconnect in how it's viewed. Ask anyone "should we get rid of it?", plenty say no. Ask those same people "should we get rid of parliament then and go back to monastic rule" they will say no. Ok, so you _dont_ like what it used to represent but you like what it represents now? What the heck?

Re:Prince Philip has died by disambiguation on Friday April 09, 2021 @11:18AM (#26751601)
all laws and governments are social fictions

as for celebrities and "royalty", humans are hard-wired to follow hierarchies and thus be fascinated by those at the top

Re:Prince Philip has died by nullsense on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:02PM (#26757253)
Fascinated/dominated - take your pick.

My whole thing is we used to be _dominated_ by the monarchy without a choice about it. Now that we aren't, what's even the point in being _fascinated_ by it? They're at the top, but of what anymore?

Re:Prince Philip has died by iso1631 on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:32AM (#26749167)
Kardassians seem to have more adoration
Re:Prince Philip has died by Ygg2 on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:24AM (#26749638)
Re:Prince Philip has died by _Microft on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:57AM (#26749356)
> Kardassians seem to have more adoration

There are two different typos possible here and I am undecided which one is funnier ;)

Re:Prince Philip has died by celticninja on Friday April 09, 2021 @07:40AM (#26749232)
So you are suggesting they take over from the royals or from the US president?
Re:Prince Philip has died by MagnumOpus on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:07AM (#26749451)
While Cardassians are far more popular than the Windsor Royals, they are fictional.

Which has advantages, admittedly -- far lower expenditures and a far lower rate of child-rapes among them -- a lot of the British royalists might object to a change of rulers on that basis.

Re:Prince Philip has died by cblconfederate on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:13AM (#26749514)
They earned it tho
Re:Prince Philip has died by pndy on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:04AM (#26749423)
Each time I'm catching myself reading it as Cardassians
Re:Prince Philip has died by bb123 on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:21AM (#26749591)
Personally I think are (or used to be) a useful cohesive agent for the country. If the alternative is Trump and the Kardashians then the Royal family doesn't seem too bad.
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Re:Prince Philip has died by hobs on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:15AM (#26749532)
The reaction to some model complaining on TV is not why MOST people hate the british monarchy.

Personally my grandmother's civilian ship was fired on by the british navy because ... well fun!

Re:Prince Philip has died by swen-rekcah on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:29AM (#26750294)
British Navy incident........hatred of the royal family. Not entirely sure where the connection between the two is. Maybe it’s misplaced anger
Re:Prince Philip has died by hobs on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:54AM (#26750612)
In the same way a person in modern Afghanistan might hate the American government for being at a wedding where a drone strike happened; seems pretty straightforward to me :)
Re:Prince Philip has died by chillacy on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:53AM (#26750592)
Others in this thread say that a key purpose of the monarchy is as a unifying symbol, if so then this seems like fair game.
Re:Prince Philip has died by corobo on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:26AM (#26749654)
This is an opportunity to educate. When you make comments like this what you're actually doing is locking in someone's opinion by making them defend it against nothing.
Re:Prince Philip has died by bobthechef on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:15AM (#26750124)
That's a bit of a childish remark. The celebrity stuff exists in every culture and every country, so there's nothing particular to monarchy in this regard. The British monarchy, is, of course, a castrated monarchy in the sense that it has little power, but it still functions as a unifying force for the UK. Some argue that monarchies are generally more tolerant than republics. Monarchy can be argued to be a more natural or default form of government in principle than republicanism because the monarch (the king) is a kind of paternal role. The dynastic component adds continuity, responsibility (you don't want your heir to bear the burden of your bad policies, do you?), and hedges against both short-term thinking (like we see among elected officials) and the dangers of meritocratic ambition ("I EARNED my power!" vs. "I am saddled with this responsibility to serve."). Of course, in practice, republicanism can become more attractive because of royal corruption and abuse of power, but the notion that republicanism is immune to these just because it takes different forms is absurd.

Remarks like "useless social fiction from antiquity" come across as uninformed, provincial snobbery motivated by some kind of superficial progressive mythology. There are forms of government that are objectively bad, others that are poorly suited to time and place, but the notion that the best form of government is the democratic republic, everywhere and in all times and places, is silly.