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Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by ianai on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:27AM (#26738424)
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Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by dang on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:30PM (#26742106)
Please don't delete-edit your posts like that. It leaves the thread incoherent and isn't fair to the reader or to the commenters who replied.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by tsdlts on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:58AM (#26738737)
Nearly half of our genome is thought to have had a viral origin. It's a bit of a simplification to say that we "don't need to experience" any illness. We would not be what we are today without it.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by gpderetta on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:23AM (#26739052)
We do not need to experience a comet strike, although it is a significant component of what made us what we are today.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by simonh on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:04AM (#26738792)
Natural selection relies on large swathes of prior human populations dying without having offspring. That doesn't mean that going forward this continuing to happen is desirable.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by jaywalk on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:52AM (#26738658)
> your body won’t ever be the same after it - no matter how seemingly innocuous

Aside from antibodies, (citation needed).

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by scottrogowski on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:48AM (#26738614)
You are failing to take into account the hygiene hypothesis: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/. There is evidence that a lack of exposure to germs is a cause of autoimmune and allergic diseases. While this may-or-may-not be true of exposure to COVID amongst healthy young people, blanket statements like "It’s a disease. It’s not something your body needs to experience" could use a little more nuance.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by jaywalk on Thursday April 08, 2021 @09:56AM (#26738703)
I've lived my life to the fullest extent possible over the last year, seeing friends on a regular basis, going to bars/restaurants whenever they've been open and even traveling by plane.

I caught COVID recently, and my symptoms were incredibly mild. I like to think that keeping my immune system healthy and exposed to all of the stuff it would normally see played a role in that.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by plank_time on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:05AM (#26738808)
You are part of the 85% who have mild symptoms. Don’t think it’s anything more than statistics, the vast majority of people who get covid either are asymptomatic or get mild symptoms.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by jaywalk on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:15AM (#26738928)
It's completely unscientific, which is why I said "I like to think." Not making any larger claim than a personal anecdote and thought.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by CryptoPunk on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:22AM (#26739031)
I am extremely anti-lockdown, however it's worth noting that a mild case of COVID does not have mild symptoms in absolute terms. It's not like a mild cold for example. It's mild relative to moderate or severe cases, which involve breathing problems and hospitalization.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by plank_time on Thursday April 08, 2021 @11:46AM (#26740211)
No, I know several people who got covid. They described the flu as being worse than covid. Mild mean mild.

Hospitalization by definition is considered severe.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by CryptoPunk on Thursday April 08, 2021 @11:55AM (#26740322)
Being less severe than the flu is not my definition of mild. A flu is a pretty bad illness.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by asveikau on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:43AM (#26739322)
And the worst part is that you may spread it to somebody (or several somebodies) who winds up with severe illness.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by CryptoPunk on Thursday April 08, 2021 @11:56AM (#26740344)
You can shelter at home until you have gotten over it, and then you have immunity as well.
Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by exclusiv on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:00PM (#26741168)
You can only shelter when you know you have it which comes after a period of being contagious and unaware.

"research suggests that people who are infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, are at their most contagious in the 24 to 48 hours before they experience symptoms." [1]

[1] https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/10/exposed-to-...

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by CryptoPunk on Friday April 09, 2021 @01:42AM (#26747083)
Alternatively, the elderly can shelter at home until they're vaccinated. Hardly seems sensible for the world to be put on hold for a year for an illness that only a small subset of the world population are highly vulberable to.

The World Bank estimates 150 million will be pushed into extreme poverty due to COVID-related lockdowns:

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c...

Education has also been severely disrupted:

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/children-cannot-afford...

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by exclusiv on Friday April 09, 2021 @06:18PM (#26756894)
Yes, except elderly need care. And we didn't have the vaccine available until not that long ago.

Your suggestion that you can safely just quarantine and not be a risk to others is flat out wrong because you are at your most contagious 24-48 hours before you have symptoms.

Also you may not have immunity after you sheltered and recovered.

I'll agree with you that the response was pretty terrible though.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by CryptoPunk on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:33PM (#26757838)
My point is quarantining the healthy majority for over a year, when they are not vulnerable, was not a proportionate response to the pandemic.

The links I provided give some indication of the poverty and educational disruption this causes, but unfortunately it's hard for people to admit that mass-quarantines were and continue to be wrong, because this issue has been politicized.

Maybe you're right, and quarantine after contraction of illness was not a fully effective method of transmission control, but just the elderly isolating, instead of every one, was, and is a much more proportionate and sensible way to deal with a pandemic that only the elderly are highly vulnerable to.

Re:Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 by asveikau on Saturday April 10, 2021 @10:42AM (#26761819)
> only the elderly are highly vulnerable to.

This seems to be a big part of your reasoning but I don't think this is true. Yes, risk does skew there. But there are large numbers of non-elderly people who have been severely affected.