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Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by CA0DA on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:15AM (#26735306)
> recover damages from the government when their constitutional rights are violated

Great, so I'm paying for the sins of crappy cops via my taxes. Do I have an ability to influence my city or state to not hire unethical cops? (serious question)

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by fitblipper on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:26AM (#26735365)
Only in a very limited capacity, I guess. IMO the important result of this legislation is that it helps align the incentives of the police department with that of the public they are supposed to serve. That means a department will be more likely to reform practices and policies which would cause frequent lawsuits instead of simply instituting policies to optimize for arrests or convictions. Asset forfeiture is another police policy which places the interests of the police at odds with that of the public. In many places the assets claimed by asset forfeiture can be used to directly fund the department's budget and there is no need to charge anyone of a crime to do so.
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by unanswered on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:50AM (#26735496)
How does spending a greater amount of other people's money incentivize a police department or any other public body?
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by vinay427 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:18AM (#26735657)
They already hypothesized one possibility in their comment:

> That means a department will be more likely to reform practices and policies which would cause frequent lawsuits instead of simply instituting policies to optimize for arrests or convictions.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by michaelbuckbee on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:57AM (#26735538)
One proposed tactic has been that either cops need to hold individual "malpractice" insurance (like doctors) or that settlements need to come out of the union retirement fund.
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by astrange on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:19AM (#26735666)
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:19AM (#26735664)
> cops need to hold individual "malpractice" insurance (like doctors) or that settlements need to come out of the union retirement fund

The insurance idea is stupid. It will just end up being bought by the union, removing the individual incentive component, and added as a line item the next time pay negotiations come up.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by reportt on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:54AM (#26735869)
But underwriters don't necessarily need to insure every officer, and not every officer will be insured the same. If they are deemed too risky, it doesn't matter if the union is backing their premiums or not -- if they don't have insurance, they can't work (or can't do fieldwork or something).
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by Robin_Message on Thursday April 08, 2021 @03:19AM (#26735991)
The union could adopt an "all or none" policy with the insurance company, and then if an individual officer is barred by the insurer, the union will be telling all officers (and management) "sorry, insurance won't cover us, can't come in to work until it is sorted."
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by JumpCrisscross on Thursday April 08, 2021 @03:21AM (#26736003)
> underwriters don't necessarily need to insure every officer, and not every officer will be insured the same

They don't need to, but that's not how insurance is sold. Unions collectively buy and negotiate benefits for their members. And a requirement from the union would be, no doubt, universal coverage and pricing.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by GoOnThenDoTell on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:23AM (#26735346)
Yes. Talk to your local representatives
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by adgjlsfhk1 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:43AM (#26735444)
Step #1 is get rid of cop unions. They look out for the worst of the worst, and prevent anything from improving.
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by bryanrasmussen on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:48AM (#26735483)
getting rid of unions is also a problem, maybe limit the powers of public service unions.

They are allowed to work for pension increase, wages, vacation time, but not allowed to touch disciplinary situations?

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by adgjlsfhk1 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:56AM (#26735529)
Police unions are much worse than other public unions. If other public unions take illegal action, the police can arrest them. When the police union does something illegal, no one is going to do anything about it.
Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by bryanrasmussen on Thursday April 08, 2021 @03:45AM (#26736122)
as a normal rule the illegal actions I associate with unions are stuff like leadership skimming from the pension funds which would probably get them arrested.

the negative actions I associate with police unions is stepping in to protect corrupt or violent cops from disciplinary actions / firing / arrest.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by sumedh on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:41AM (#26735797)
> When the police union does something illegal, no one is going to do anything about it.

Cant the Feds step in?

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by mike_d on Thursday April 08, 2021 @02:47AM (#26735827)
Unions in public service are allowed to create de-facto rules and policies that would otherwise get lawmakers voted out or initiatives voted down.

MUNI is a dysfunctional mess because the Union has the power to shut down a public service if their every demand isn't met.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by jachee on Thursday April 08, 2021 @01:25AM (#26735360)
Don't vote for mayor/governor candidates that glorify the police.

Choose ones who want to divert paramilitary funding to other social safety net services.

Re:New Mexico is the second state to ban qualified immunity by daniellarusso on Thursday April 08, 2021 @05:16AM (#26736712)
Become mayor or governor.