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Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by spicybright on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @03:54PM (#26730248)
Kids should only be able to view content vetted by a human. Full stop.

Too bad it's never going to happen.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by dylan604 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:05PM (#26730432)
Historically, that human was called a parent. Parents today have no chance at the on-slaught of content and the delivery mechanisms for it. When I was a kid, there were 3 networks with a handful of UHF channels. Cartoons only ran on Saturday morning, most channels went off the air at midnight, and the TV censors were much more strict with would could be on the air. My parents had it easy. When I became a parent, the internet was still small, and YT wouldn't be a thing for another 10 years. I feel for my kid becoming a parent though, or others dealing with it now.
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by hnick on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:34PM (#26733026)
> Historically, that human was called a parent

Yes and no. From your own example, the censors and rules made it clear to parents what and when their kids could watch without the parents having to expend too much time and effort to double check everything. In theory, something branded 'YouTube Kids' would fit the same purpose and many parents probably assume it is fine based on their experience with offline media. The problem is there is no strictness or quality control like you mention.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by basch on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:11PM (#26730515)
There was also a network level curator like PBS, Nickelodeon or Disney. Are there people/teams making vetted youtube playlists of content that surpasses a certain level of quality?

That would be an interesting Kids mode. "Only allow videos from playlists that have been added/sunk to this account." Kind of a middle ground between making Google the content arbitrator and being able to watch every video before your kids do.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by dylan604 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:29PM (#26731626)
>There was also a network level curator like PBS, Nickelodeon or Disney.

That's kind of the point of YT though is to completely bypass the network curation. Nobody has what you want on or won't put your stuff on? Screw 'em! We bring you YouTube. The You was the big deal that bucked the network concept.

So no, there's never going to be a human curator for all of YT. If channels want to curate themselves, then they may or may not be rewarded for that with a larger subscriber base.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by basch on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:32PM (#26731649)
>That's kind of the point of YT though is to completely bypass the network curation.

Instead we have algoautoplay.

I'm describing opt in playlist producers. Why couldn't there be a level of "playlist curators" who exist not as channels. "Bob puts together really good playlists, whitelist all Bob approved videos." I subscribe to 10 curators and bobs my uncle. I want to follow bob for the videos he suggests not the ones he makes.

The idea of a channel curating itself is the anthesis of someone picking the best from many channels. Pop radio run by Taylor Swift would turn into her playing her album on repeat? How is that more useful than the album itself.

The evolution of the MTV VJ. It could even have an audio reaction track layered over the top of the playlist that can be toggled on off. They could add intro/outro commentary.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by dylan604 on Thursday April 08, 2021 @12:16AM (#26735028)
I would expect the people that would be good at doing that would not actually be interested in it since they would not really be able to monetize the viewers. The original owners would get the ad sales. Now, if they added ads to view while viewing the channel, maybe they could earn from those ads, or some smaller portion of the ad sales go to the list curator while the main still goes to content creator?
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by Phrodo_00 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:00PM (#26733233)
This is actually a brilliant idea and Youtube almost supports it. Channels can have playlists that have any videos, not only their own. All that's missing is to be able to restrict an account to certain playlists.

The other part is how to incentivize the creation of the playlists.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by basch on Thursday April 08, 2021 @12:30AM (#26735102)
And a way to rank, score, sort, browse playlists. Currently the only way to stumble upon a playlist is to get linked to it from elsewhere or from an authors page?
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by crtasm on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:49PM (#26733151)
Might break a little once Bob is popular enough to be offered money (or some other reward) for featuring videos they wouldn't otherwise pick. I do think it's a good idea though.
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by vkou on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:15PM (#26730553)
> Historically, that human was called a parent. Parents today have no chance at the on-slaught of content and the delivery mechanisms for it.

Unless you're letting a tablet, or the television raise your children, it's not because of the onslaught of content. The onslaught of content is nothing new - for the past century, mass media was producing more content than you could ever consume.

The problem is that parents aren't putting in the time and energy to curate the content their children consume. (I'm explicitly not going to go into the social reasons why, it's an interesting topic, but not really pertinent to this thread. Some people in this thread are bringing up technical reasons why, which I feel is more pertinent.)

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by fogihujy on Thursday April 08, 2021 @06:23AM (#26737080)
It was a slippery slope. I'd like to claim that if parents spent less time staring at a screen in front of their children, there would also be less children staring at mind-numbing content online. The fact is, however, that many simply dump their kids in front of Youtube just so that they can spend time on social media themselves.

In other words: If we want to break kids' screen addictions then we need to start with their parents.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by nullsense on Thursday April 08, 2021 @04:06AM (#26736255)
As a parent now going through this the whole thing I can't help but think of the "worse is better" essay. The conclusion I've come to is that we dove headlong into the promises of "better" technology and that worked for a long time, but since the rise of social media and smartphones we've crossed this threshold where "better is worse".

I grew up with a handful of channels and I can't really say it was much of a hardship. When I compare to the endless doomscrolling of YouTube for yet another Minecraft video I see my boy doing I can't help but feel like the algorithms have got his mind in a vice already. The technology seems better in every way, but the negatives are also amplified.

Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by Clewza313 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:20PM (#26733414)
Ehh, it's not quite that unidimensional. Kids also used to roam freely around the neighborhood, and find the stash of porn mags in the local hobo camp.
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by faitswulff on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:49PM (#26731822)
YouTube Kids has a setting for that, at least: https://www.techlicious.com/blog/curated-content-youtube-kid...
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by bgilly on Thursday April 08, 2021 @10:54AM (#26739484)
I’m unable to find that setting in the YouTube Kids app on my iPhone. Is it on yours?
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by ensignavenger on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:24PM (#26730712)
There are those who would say that that human should be a parental unit.
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by Spooky23 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:14PM (#26732822)
Those who are a parent would say that those who do have no idea.
Re:YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers by ensignavenger on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:36PM (#26733575)
That would depend a lot on the parent. I know plenty of parents who would agree.