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Re:I hope work from home continues by HWR_14 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:35AM (#26713126)
I'm thrown by people working on a laptop. Do you have a battery powered second screen? Is there some workflow tips I should adopt to make it work better?

I'm quite jealous of people who can work on laptops.

I wonder the degree to which people enjoy WFH is the same as the degree to which they enjoy working on a laptop. Even the people I know with a dedicated room for work set up want to go back to the office if they prefer multiple monitors.

Re:I hope work from home continues by blunte on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:46AM (#26713290)
I much prefer a 4k monitor as my primary, and my laptop below it (open, as a small second screen).

Going outside, working just off the laptop, is a definite shift. It usually means less coding, but sometimes it pushes me to be productive in areas I normally neglect (documenting, planning, organizing).

To do real development, I am very dependent upon a big monitor. If I travel, I take one or rent one.

Honestly though, sometimes I just go for a walk. And often during that walk, with no screens, my brain magically sorts through some problems and gives me new insights.

If you work from home though, most people agree on dedicating some space and properly equipping it. Working always only on a laptop in a floater kind of way is something that I suspect most people cannot do with any real level of productivity.

Re:I hope work from home continues by mywittyname on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @01:11PM (#26714520)
> And often during that walk, with no screens, my brain magically sorts through some problems and gives me new insights.

So many of my breakthroughs happen on walks. Being forced to reconstruct the situation in my head makes me think about the nitty-gritty details in a much more systematic manner.

Re:I hope work from home continues by gorkemyurt on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:58AM (#26713470)
How do you carry your monitor? this has been a problem for me during covid. also there is the work chair problem..
Re:I hope work from home continues by blunte on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:03PM (#26713541)
Le Sigh, during COVID I don't go anywhere. Carrying a monitor is not a problem. But when I traveled, many co-working spaces offer halfway decent monitors for rent. And if you're staying for a while, you can buy one locally and honestly just leave it there when you go. We're talking about $200. It's just part of the cost of being a digital nomad (which you totally make up in many other ways).

Oh, but chairs for me are not a problem. I have been a very happy standing-worker for 13 years now. It started with hip and lower back pain in my early 30s, which seemed f'd up, and then some articles by a Mayo Clinic doctor who worked standing and sometimes on a treadmill. Turns out, it was good advice. Now I stand all day - sometimes 18 hours, and don't even notice. (To be clear, you always move a bit, shift your weight, etc.; it's not being a statue.)

Re:I hope work from home continues by unfocused on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @01:02PM (#26714397)
Just like to the other commenter mentioned, be careful of standing all day. My mother was a hairdresser for 50+ years. She needed operations on both her knees.

I think it's all a balance of sitting and standing, and not taking one to the extreme. I say this as I just threw my back out a few weeks ago, because I was sitting all day :( So yeah, I'm not a model person to listen to either!

Re:I hope work from home continues by shard on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:38PM (#26714025)
That's quite a lot of standing. At what point would you start worrying about varicose veins?
Re:I hope work from home continues by blunte on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @01:09PM (#26714487)
I have a few small spider veins, but I've had them for 10 years already. And since I work from home, I can play James Brown any time I want. You can imagine I get down; I'm not static.

Slightly more seriously, there is no one answer. But in terms of total human history, sitting isn't something we spent a lot of time doing. Sleeping, lying flat, we obviously spend about 1/4 to 1/3 of our time doing. Standing or walking or running surely must be a big portion of the rest. Sitting would only be reserved for when you have the time to "do nothing". That's kind of a new concept. Thusly, I'm not afraid.

For a 50 year old nerd who hasn't exercised in a year, I'm still well above the health and capabilities of a lot of same age people. And when I'm in a good environment with outdoor play areas (mountain biking) or indoor gyms, I'm fit. Aesthetically, losing hair and gaining less elastic skin is much more a concern to me than some tiny purple lines in my ankles or knees :/

Re:I hope work from home continues by Johnny555 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:27PM (#26713875)
While it's not a big 4K monitor, when I used to travel a lot pre-COVID, I got a 15" USB monitor for my laptop. It was small enough to easily haul around in a carryon bag and gave some useful screen real estate.
Re:I hope work from home continues by prewett on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @03:27PM (#26716269)
I bought a 15" 4k UPERFECT portable gaming monitor for this situation. It's about the size of my 15" MBP, only thicker. I was worried about it being sketchy (as far as I can tell, they only sell on Amazon), but aside from difficulties syncing sometimes if I turn on the monitor before the computer and it decides there isn't a signal, it works great.
Re:I hope work from home continues by EliRivers on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:39AM (#26713201)
Even the people I know with a dedicated room for work set up want to go back to the office if they prefer multiple monitors.

Well, allow me to be the first outlier. I typically use two monitors (tried three, didn't really add much to having two, for me); using two external monitors (attached to a laptop) right this second as I type this (and also a proper keyboard and mouse - the laptop to which they are all connected is under the desk, closed).

I am very happy indeed to continue using two monitors at home. A chap on my team uses four monitors on his setup and he's similarly happy to continue doing so from home.

Why do the people you know who like to use multiple monitors want to do so in the office rather than at home in a dedicated work room? Are they, at home, like, actually working ON the laptop? Typing on the little laptop keyboard, using the little laptop mousepad, staring at the little laptop screen?

Re:I hope work from home continues by dragonwriter on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:55AM (#26713424)
> I wonder the degree to which people enjoy WFH is the same as the degree to which they enjoy working on a laptop.

I hate working on a laptop screen.

OTOH, I like the 34” ultrawide monitor I use at home attached to my dock better the twin 21” widescreens I had in the office, plus I get to use it, rather than a laptop, in the numerous meetings-with-computers, which were held in meeting rooms with in-person work.

Re:I hope work from home continues by folkrav on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:42AM (#26713236)
I have an 34" 1440p ultrawide + vertical 24" 1080p at home. That setup > all setups I've ever managed to get at work, including that triple 24" I've had once. I can't stand working off a laptop my hands, neck and back inevitably start to hurt after slouching over and typing off the tiny keyboard and trackpad.
Re:I hope work from home continues by greedo on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:14PM (#26713712)
I used to hate laptops, and chafed when they were provisioned for my team. We all worked in the office, and docked them. We rarely needed to use them from home until COVID.

Yet the last year has changed my mind. I have a 15" MBP from 2015 that is fine. My home office has an iMac, so I really don't want a second monitor crowding my desk. I just use the laptop's display and keyboard. Less stuff to worry about finding space for, or keeping the cats from fucking with.

And best of all, when work is done, I log out of the VPN, and close the lid. Of course I have Teams/Outlook on my phone if there's an emergency, but there's also a clear delineation for my family to recognize; if the laptop is open, I'm still working. If it's closed, then they can talk/pester/joke with me without worrying about my work. And it also helps me remember to not overwork.

Re:I hope work from home continues by pizza234 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:57AM (#26713455)
I have a minimalist approach to interfaces, and work on 1080p (both desktop and laptop). I don't have second monitors and I don't intend to add any.

I don't doubt that adding screen estate has value, but in the minimalistic spirit, anything added also subtracts something :) And in the same spirit, anything subtracted adds something else - in my case, the ability to work more efficiently.

Try to work on a single screen for a relatively long time (say, a few months). Over the time, you'll develop (because you're forced to) more efficient habits.

Re:I hope work from home continues by throwawayboise on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:59AM (#26713486)
I use a window manager that has multiple desktops. It's like having 9 screens, only you can only see one of them at a time. But really, that's how screens are. You can't really look at two screens at once.
Re:I hope work from home continues by aksss on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:36PM (#26713989)
Sort of, but doing a stare-and-compare, two screens beats two virtual desktops in productivity. It’s the difference between being able to set two documents side by side on a desk vs stacking them. There’s more friction in the swap than in the glance. Also, being able to have VC people on one screen while full screening content, or full screening content while playing a game is valuable.
Re:I hope work from home continues by pizza234 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @07:38PM (#26718717)
It depends on the use case.

I frequently use two terminals side-by side; for this type of work, 1920p are enough [for me]. They're enough also for diffing source code, as long as the lines are not excessively long (around 100 chars fit on each side; comparing 2 lines long statements is acceptable)..

I think a use case where a single (1080p) screen is significantly inconvenient is for windows with a fixed shape, for example, debugging a videogame.

Re:I hope work from home continues by noisy_boy on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:42PM (#26714089)
Having worked on multiple monitors for so long, I would find just having a tiny laptop screen too restrictive. Being able to glance at multiple windows to collate information without having to Alt+Tab is priceless.

I bought a 43" (4K 3840 x 2160) and put an older (rotated) 24" right next to it - the setup works perfectly contrary to my initial worry of the main display proving to be too big. Advantage of the 43" display over an ultra-wide is that I get plenty of vertical space as well in addition to the horizontal space. That means easily having 4 80-column tall IDE windows side by side for reduced scrolling. Another advantage is that videos play full screen without any black areas on the sides. The smaller monitor is split between Slack and email - both always visible but not too distracting due to being in the peripheral vision.

Re:I hope work from home continues by CoastalCoder on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:50PM (#26714213)
Sorry for the tangent, but I'm considering replacing my current home-office monitor.

Mind sharing which 43" monitor you have, and any other thoughts on its suitability for coding?

Re:I hope work from home continues by blunte on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @01:16PM (#26714597)
Keep in mind that at some point (depending on your distance from the screen, which tends to be 18-24 inches for developers), the size of the screen grows beyond what you can see without intentionally looking off at an angle.

I would argue that 32" is enough. Maybe 35-40 if it were curved. Of course, if I could have a 1:1 aspect ratio screen which was spherical, that would be ideal. Even so, you only get so much benefit from larger size.

My primary monitor is an LG 27UD58 "4k". It is fantastic in terms of visual quality and even gaming. But as far as I can tell, there's no good upsize option. I'm hoping for improvements in VR style glasses which would allow me to look all around and see a virtual big screen on demand.

Two monitors are nice, but then you're always looking a bit to the left or right. Two stacked monitors are nice, but then you're looking significantly up or down. There's no good answer :/, other than a neural interface which does not yet exist.

Re:I hope work from home continues by noisy_boy on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @10:07PM (#26719788)
I'm using the Dell Ultrasharp Monitor U4320Q. There is no other way to put it - when I first bought it, I had doubts about my decision because this thing is _big_. You'll need to move your eye (and/or your neck) a bit more for the content on the edges which you almost never have to do for something like, say, 24" monitor.

However, few months down the line, this is the best decision I made for coding. The real estate makes a real difference. The quality of the panel is great and you soon get used to "bigness" and the ability to have so many split windows makes a huge difference in productivity. It'll probably really shine with a tiling WM/virtual workspaces (I use a non-tiling single workspace setup so that's just speculation though).

You still have to move few inches away if you are playing content full screen (my desk is wide but not very deep). I play Youtube videos expanded but not full screen and that is already big enough for me. For movies in full screen, I push my chair a bit away from the desk and put my legs on a small stool and then the experience is great.

Re:I hope work from home continues by cm2012 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:44AM (#26713265)
I've always worked on a single laptop and I will never go back to the office, so that checks.
Re:I hope work from home continues by livueta on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:53AM (#26713397)
I like working on a small laptop even when there are multiple large monitors available - probably to do with being a very heavy virtual workspaces + tiling wm user. I also hate sitting at a desk and prefer to flop around whatever couch, recliner, or bit of lawn seems comfortable at the time, and it's harder to do that when you're dragging hardware around. For whatever reasons, I find it way easier to get in the zone working this way.
Re:I hope work from home continues by rhn_mk1 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:41AM (#26713217)
It depends on the kind of work. Having a nice virtual workspaces setup makes it possible to switch between applications accurately and quickly (not like alt-tab), and that makes it possible to do work where cross-referencing a lot of text isn't required.
Re:I hope work from home continues by Johnny555 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:46PM (#26714153)
I wonder the degree to which people enjoy WFH is the same as the degree to which they enjoy working on a laptop. Even the people I know with a dedicated room for work set up want to go back to the office if they prefer multiple monitors.

I can understand why people who are working from their kitchen table want to go back to the office, but for those that have a dedicated work area, wouldn't they set it up the way they want?

I have a multi-monitor setup at home that's better than what I have at work since I'm not limited to IT approved hardware. Related, I also have a loud clicky keyboard that I can't get away with using at work since everyone in the shared office area can hear it.

Re:I hope work from home continues by mrweasel on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:39AM (#26713193)
Depending on country, you’re not legally allowed to work on your laptop. You’re required to have a monitor, keyboard and mouse, you cannot be hunched over a laptop for 8 hours a day. The applies both to the office and when working from home.
Re:I hope work from home continues by lotsofpulp on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:52AM (#26713385)
Which country is this?
Re:I hope work from home continues by mrweasel on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:00PM (#26713498)
Denmark. Working on laptop is only allow for short periods of time, and it can’t be planned. So you can deal with emergencies, quick last minute things.

Rules have been more flexible during Covid, but people have been working from home for so long now that height adjustable desks and external monitors something the employeers need to ensure that people have access to again, even at home.

Re:I hope work from home continues by mrj on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @02:39PM (#26715619)
Well, I enjoy WFH (mostly) but a laptop alone isn't great. At home I use a corner desk, two monitors, two phones and three laptops (one testing, one does light compiling and vpn duties).

There's no way I'd be allowed this much equipment and space in the office. I had a nice-ish 27' monitor there and a small desk crammed next to another developer.

As much as I miss the social aspects of an office, WFH has a lot of benefits. I realize this is not true for many, and a lot of my own money went into the office of my dreams here. But it's quite comfortable.

Re:I hope work from home continues by chrisseaton on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:42AM (#26713244)
Why can't they have multiple monitors at home?
Re:I hope work from home continues by ghaff on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:03PM (#26713542)
It depends on what I'm doing. I do video calls from my desktop as I have all the lighting, microphones, and good webcam set up. And I'll also use the multiple monitors if I need a lot of reference material. But if I'm just writing something or doing email, I'm perfectly happy just working on a laptop and probably do it more than using my desktop.
Re:I hope work from home continues by christkv on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:41AM (#26713218)
Re:I hope work from home continues by JohnPrine on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @02:11PM (#26715314)
I was like you until July of last year. Started working exclusively on my laptop (I'm a c++ engineer) and I found that it forced me to be more organized. Vim + tmux lets me make full use of a smaller screen. My productivity has honestly improved as a result
Re:I hope work from home continues by kube-system on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:38PM (#26714030)