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Re:Is that ship still stuck? by TylerE on Thursday March 25, 2021 @07:35PM (#26587023)
If would be a very long diversion. The turning radius of large ships is, well, astronomical, we're talking miles.

The canal itself is MASSIVE - 79ft deep and 700ft wide - and if you're turning you'd need to be wider still. We're talking about removing absolutely massive amounts of material.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by kbenson on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:41PM (#26587572)
> The turning radius of large ships is, well, astronomical, we're talking miles.

That's when under speed. If these ships don't have the unidirectional port engines like cruise ships do for maneuvering in tight spots (and they may not, I don't know), in this situation they would likely use tugboats for turning. That's what they're for.

That doesn't necessarily make a diversion feasible, but I don't think whether it's feasible or not rests on whether these ships can turn. That's really not the problem as I see it.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by TylerE on Thursday March 25, 2021 @09:01PM (#26587716)
If with a zero turn radius, these ships are in excess of 1000ft long...you need a lot of clearance and a large radius just because of the physical dimensions (and so you know, we don't get a second ship wedged sideways in the canal.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by kbenson on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:10PM (#26588111)
We're talking about digging a diversionary channel. Making either end of that where it connects to the current channel wider to accommodate turning is trivial in comparison.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by ethbr0 on Friday March 26, 2021 @12:08AM (#26588656)
If you're talking about digging a diversionary channel, then why not just dig around the boat with the same equipment?

Excavate sand around + weight from ship pancakes sand its sitting on, gradually = ship lowers back to floating depth

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by TylerE on Friday March 26, 2021 @12:16AM (#26588691)
Probably very complicated since you couldn't have people in close. What if, as is not unlikely, part of the bank suddenly crumbles and the boat shifts?

Also, I doubt the sand goes down very deep...this is a costal area, not rolling dunes. You're going to hit rock quickly.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by ultrarunner on Friday March 26, 2021 @02:36AM (#26589345)
Interestingly enough, the Wikipedia page for this ship says it does have two 2500kW bow thrusters. I imagine if they were worth much in this situation we wouldn’t be talking about them, though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ever_Given

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by tim333 on Friday March 26, 2021 @05:04AM (#26590071)
Looking it up a 2500kW bow thruster gives a thrust of about 30 tons (https://www.thrustmaster.net/tunnel-thrusters/electric-motor...)

which is not going to do much here. It seems the trouble with a lot of solutions - the tugs can probably tug with a force of something like 600 tons combined but the ship weights 220,000 tons which is like putting a force of 5kg on a 2 ton car which is stuck. Probably not going to budge it.

Really you want something which will shove it with a force maybe 10% of the weight, say 20,000 tons but there don't seem to be many of those lying around.

I wondered if they tied a cable from the ship to one of the other large ships nearby and fired up the main engines if that could do something?

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by ultrarunner on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:36PM (#26598291)
I imagine they could snap the cable, but that doesn't seem very useful.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by TylerE on Friday March 26, 2021 @03:00AM (#26589474)
For fluid dynamic reasons those sort of thrusters are only effective when the ship is stationary
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by occamrazor on Friday March 26, 2021 @08:34AM (#26591301)
Well, at the moment the ship is _very_ stationary.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by richardfey on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:32AM (#26590825)
And then some other ship would get stuck while turning?
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by dlgeek on Friday March 26, 2021 @01:40AM (#26589069)
They're called azipods.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by cesarb on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:08PM (#26587316)
> The turning radius of large ships is, well, astronomical, we're talking miles.

But do the ships actually have to turn? As long as they are floating instead of stuck in the sand, can't they be dragged sideways, either by tugboats or by stationary winches on land?

Of course, the ships would have to stop first, which would take miles of slowing down, and it would probably still be faster to fully dig the stuck ship out of the sand than to dig a diversion channel.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by TylerE on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:13PM (#26587362)
The existing canal is largely straight, so any detour would inevitably involve at least 3 turns..
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by sliken on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:49PM (#26588577)
or just 1.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by Aeolun on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:03PM (#26587282)
Well, they did it before, and without the help of the massive diggers we have currently, so it can’t be that hard, relatively speaking.

Besides, my newspaper said that the economic losses of the stuckness amount to like 400M per hour. That is a looot of money you can throw at a problem.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by nostrademons on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:11PM (#26587347)
The Suez Canal took 10 years to build, with > 30,000 people working on it at any given time and over 1.5M total laborers, thousands of whom died.

I don't think we want to be waiting for 10 years. Cheaper to blow up the ship and its cargo than to re-build a whole new canal.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by TylerE on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:13PM (#26587366)
Blowing it up isn't really a solution either, that still leaves the canal blocked, as it was for 8 years after the 6 day war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Fleet

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by nostrademons on Thursday March 25, 2021 @08:50PM (#26587633)
I was being semi-facetious, but now I see that a bunch of people seem to be suggesting that in all seriousness. Poe's Law strikes again.
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by ReflectedImage on Thursday March 25, 2021 @09:18PM (#26587813)
Actually with a well placed nuclear warhead placed directly under the ship, it could be thrown out of the canal and into the nearby desert clearing the canal route /s
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by Scarblac on Friday March 26, 2021 @08:24AM (#26591219)
Think outside the box some more. With enough nuclear warheads, trade between Asia and Europe can be made completely irrelevant!
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by tomatotomato37 on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:28PM (#26588195)
Fun fact: the ship is larger than the fireball of a peacekeeper warhead would be (~320 meters)
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by lazide on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:41PM (#26588535)
Those were what, 300kiloton’s ish? So if we go to 1+ megaton we’d be good. Seems reasonable if we go up to 3-4 megatons, maybe we’d even end up with a big enough crater one of these ships could pull a three point turn next time?
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by arethuza on Friday March 26, 2021 @08:07AM (#26591069)
A better way would be to explode one medium sized nuke under the ship, wait a few seconds then explode another and then start exploding nukes behind it until it's going fast enough.

Project Orion did contemplate a 400m diameter ship weighing 8 million tons....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propuls...

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by lazide on Sunday March 28, 2021 @03:56PM (#26613794)
I like the way you think! Saving the global economy through nuclear propulsion of kiloton scale commercial shipping. It could finally get us to Mars?
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by aww_dang on Friday March 26, 2021 @02:51AM (#26589426)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare

>Proposed uses for nuclear explosives under Project Plowshare included widening the Panama Canal, constructing a new sea-level waterway through Nicaragua nicknamed the Pan-Atomic Canal, cutting paths through mountainous areas for highways, and connecting inland river systems.

Re:Is that ship still stuck? by gpvos on Friday March 26, 2021 @02:41AM (#26589382)
Okay, something like the Tsar Bomba then? /s
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by playerm1 on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:27PM (#26588475)
May want to use two of those bad boys then
Re:Is that ship still stuck? by concordDance on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:07AM (#26590681)
I suspect any nuke smaller than the Tsar Bomb would leave top large pieces in the way.