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Re:Do you really want Linux phones by OJFord on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @08:51PM (#26575193)
I want a Linux phone.

I like open source too, but I'm not serious about it, I want to be able to fix things or file an issue on GitHub or whatever if necessary, but I don't have the energy to worry about proprietary blobs.

Having control of my phone and its configuration like I do my Linux desktop is what I want, but I'm slightly resigned to perhaps not getting it because of app support (I tried Anbox on my desktop, it was buggy and slow, with a fraction of the RAM I dread to imagine) - so I've been thinking about and occasionally working on a Terraform provider for Android instead. So far I'm using it to install all apps, no Play Store at all; I'd like to have it handle settings too.

So yes, it is Linux more than OSS that appeals to me here, because it's control more than openness that interests me in it. (I suppose some wouldn't see a distinction, and that's partly why it is more important to others.)

Re:Do you really want Linux phones by IgorPartola on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:36PM (#26575565)
I think you have it completely backwards. You want a phone that runs a FOSS operating system. It doesn’t matter to you that it is Linux or a BSD or some other open source kernel.

Android is a Linux phone but it’s decidedly not open.

Re:Do you really want Linux phones by OJFord on Thursday March 25, 2021 @04:23AM (#26577623)
No, it's not particularly important to me that the OS is FOSS (it's a bonus I appreciate, but what I dislike about my work Mac is that it's hard to configure and changes between versions and bundles crapware, etc., not that it's not FOSS).

Another Unix would be ok as long as it's not hidden away under a forced UI, with some things unconfigurable, required, etc.

But ultimately I want to share dotfiles between my desktop and phone (sure I might have to accept some amount of conditional guards..) - and that pretty much means Linux and ideally Arch. But only because that's what I happen to use on non-phones.

Re:Do you really want Linux phones by whateveracct on Thursday March 25, 2021 @12:08AM (#26576500)
Nah I want a NixOS phone
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by tadfisher on Thursday March 25, 2021 @12:16AM (#26576545)
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by rahimnathwani on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:26PM (#26575501)
Would you be happy with a FreeBSD phone?
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by Shared404 on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:30PM (#26575519)
Only if I can install a program without needing a developer account with the manufacturer.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by NexRebular on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @10:07PM (#26575782)
A lot happier than with a linux phone. Would love to have an illumos phone too, but won't get my hopes up for that happening any time soon...
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by Apocryphon on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:38PM (#26576335)
A BeOS phone would be pretty sweet.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by macdice on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:18PM (#26576209)
Yes, I would like a FreeBSD-powered phone that can run Android or iOS consumer apps totally sealed inside virtual machines.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by rahimnathwani on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:23PM (#26576255)
One VM per app would need a lot of RAM. Maybe one VM for Linux/Android, and one for iOS, would be a decent compromise. We'd still 'waste' some RAM, but isolation between different Android apps could be handled by cgroups/namespaces.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by esrauch on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:29PM (#26576278)
He said Android or iOS. It seems like massive overkill to have a phone that can run both. Even running Android apps well is a pretty tall order, running iOS apps natively on your own open source phone seems like a pipedream. It took even Google a long time and a lot of investment to get Android apps to work reasonably well on ChromeOS.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by GekkePrutser on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:46PM (#26576391)
If you're talking FreeBSD you would use jails instead which eliminate a lot of the doubled up resources. It's a lot more like docker containers.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by macdice on Thursday March 25, 2021 @01:36AM (#26576885)
True. The question is whether the Linux emulation can be good enough to satisfy Android. There are lots of funny quirks ...

I wish something like CloudAPI/Capsicum would take off to be more secure, while also being an open platform, instead of Linux ubiquity rendering standards irrelevant.

Re:Do you really want Linux phones by Apocryphon on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:33PM (#26576296)
Technically iOS is the closest thing to a *BSD-powered phone, because of the Darwin lineage.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by ekianjo on Thursday March 25, 2021 @06:05AM (#26578276)
BUt in practical terms it's the most locked platform in existence, so stretching definitions hardly matter here.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by Koliakis on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:12PM (#26576164)
Is somebody working on one?
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by rahimnathwani on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:16PM (#26576201)
I have no idea. I was asking because I wanted to understand better the position of the person to whom I replied. They said they wanted Linux specifically, and not just open source.

I didn't understand why it's so important for it to be Linux, as opposed to any other operating system that's as hackable/customizable. So I wanted to know if I had missed something.

Re:Do you really want Linux phones by Shared404 on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:31PM (#26576288)
> I didn't understand why it's so important for it to be Linux, as opposed to any other operating system that's as hackable/customizable.

I should apologize for my response then. I'd thought you were alluding to iOS, and thought that it was strange to bring that up when discussing configurable OS's.

Re:Do you really want Linux phones by Koliakis on Thursday March 25, 2021 @07:48AM (#26579050)
I don't think it being Linux is too important for people. If somebody made a working FreeBSD for a phone and there was official support for that device, then people wouldn't be all "Well, it's not Linux". I don't think I've seen any interest from BSD maintainers to bring any form of it to phones though.

As it is now, the PinePhone is officially supported by Manjaro and that makes it the most obvious option. Also, all attempts thus far to bring open source to mobile has been some form of Linux, so it's natural that when people think "open source phone", it's probably going to be using Linux. PinePhone itself already has 18-ish different distros, including ports of Debian and Ubuntu, so it's certainly well on its way.

Re:Do you really want Linux phones by rjsw on Thursday March 25, 2021 @11:06AM (#26581169)
If I get a PinePhone then I will try to run NetBSD on it, the SoC is supported by all BSD variants.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by Koliakis on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:54AM (#26618702)
Let me know how that goes.
Re:Do you really want Linux phones by speed_spread on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:51PM (#26575685)
No! On the other hand, a TempleOS phone would make my day, and the CIA's.