News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by cambalache on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:28PM (#26509388)
I am a latino and I really like Colombians, but this is a pathetic piece of pandering. At her personal level it is a nice story of course, but there are hundreds of thousands of cases like that. So she lived in Colombia, in what it was more probably than not a middle-class family (money to study in a exclusive and rare HS offering the IB and money to be sent to the US to live with family).She worked while getting a title at a community college (wow, unheard of) later got her BS, made her career at NASA and now she is a middle manager there.And that is now supposed to be some sort of incredible accomplishment for a "latina" woman. Talk about condescension, and setting the bar low.This is like the 6th different article I have seen about her in the last 2 weeks,so either some people is using her to "celebrate diversity" or she has a PR working efficiently to prop-up a future endeavor.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by systemvoltage on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:45PM (#26509456)
Let's put all the D&I bullshit aside. Someone, immigrating from a country, with so little money, working hard, going through the process of building rapport, reputation and delivering results, to attain a title of Director, taking up new responsibilities is inspiring to me. Really, it feels great in the heart. NASA PR is one thing - they gotta do what they gotta do, but if you see past all that, its nice to hear the story of someone from Columbia, perhaps going back home and telling their families that they work for NASA. Can you imagine the pride their loved ones feel? I feel your frustration with the publicity, PR machine, etc though.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by melling on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:36PM (#26509717)
That would be Colombia, not Columbia.

I’ve spent some time there. Bogota feels like NYC.

Medellin is a gem. Cartagena, Zona Cafetera, ...

When Americans talk about places like Colombia, it sounds like some dirt poor place. There is a healthy middle class

Colombia is a great place where many Americans are retiring.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by systemvoltage on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:06PM (#26509843)
> Someone immigrating from a country with so little money

I meant she had little money, not the country – $300 to be precise according to the article. Bad grammar on my part including spelling.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by judge2020 on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:57AM (#26510266)
But it feels like the news is trying to imply she got out of the slums to work in the great public sector of America, which feeds the premonition of "not USA or Europe or top 10 population country" = low-standard-of-living third world country.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by systemvoltage on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:36AM (#26510407)
Immigration doesn't imply anything about either countries. This is your interpretation.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by judge2020 on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:28PM (#26515993)
My interpretation about these articles' implied messaging, not her immigration.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by Swizec on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:52PM (#26509489)
> Can you imagine the pride their loved ones feel?

As a fellow immigrant, they do! Unfortunately it can also come with a lot of sour grapes.

“Heck yeah you’re going to USA!!” from your friends soon changes to “Bah USA, I bet it sucks anyway”

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by wernercd on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:51PM (#26509486)
Pride is fine... pandering and focusing on everything that divides us isn't.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by graycat on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:23AM (#26510139)
xx
[dead]
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by dang on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:27AM (#26510386)
Please don't cross into personal attack. graycat has an interesting history, and it's not good to be an asshole to fellow community members, even if you find a comment somehow inappropriate.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by the_resistence on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:03AM (#26510296)
Clap, clap, clap...Uplifting
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by sebmellen on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:35PM (#26509418)
It’s surprising to me how many people (especially in the US) fail to realize that many South/Central American countries have significant middle- and upper-class populations.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by young_unixer on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:54PM (#26509507)
We hace middle and upper class relative to our own levels of income.

A person with a median income in the US probably lives much better than a person with a median income in Bolivia, yet they're both middle class relative to their own countries.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by sebmellen on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:01PM (#26509543)
Well, yes and no.

You’re right everything is relative, but I think US media often gives off the impression of South/Latin America as a completely poverty-stricken landmass that people can’t wait to escape from so they come by foot or boat from Honduras or Cuba or Venezuela or Ecuador or Nicaragua or something.

Also, I know people who own large properties in Colombia and a friend of mine owns a 500 cattle ranch in Bolivia (called La Pradera)... These folks are very well off, even by international and US standards. There is significant wealth in South America if you look in the right places.

And many parts of Colombia are very metropolitan and modern, which has come as a surprise to people I know in the US/Europe.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by mc32 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:31PM (#26509687)
Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world back in the early XX cent thanks to their beef industry (Mexico was also relatively well off at the time), on the other hand Finland and Norway for example were quite poor back then. Things can change and they do.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by sebmellen on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:39PM (#26509733)
Things change, for sure. To say things change is probably an understatement... Just look at the history of the Middle East. From vast, wealthy empires to barren destruction, the Levant has seen it all.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by mc32 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:45PM (#26509764)
True but people and nations have more agency than people give them credit for. Finland was invaded and at the mercy of imperial Russia, they also were under Swedish control, etc. in other words subject to imperialism. They suffered famines in the XX cent., not too long ago.

People think, oh, imperialists messed with you, no wonder you’re poor!

No, it’s local mismanagement. Look at Panama. From banana republic to a democratic republic. People have to work for it. Their government has to be more honest than not. Eliminate corruption as much as possible.

Conversely look at San Francisco. So much money and so much corruption and waste. A decent government and it would be such a better place for everyone, including the poor.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by sebmellen on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:56PM (#26509799)
Agreed! There is a sort of belittlement that’s baked into the “overly compassionate” view of the world that robs people of their agency.

Things can usually be fixed at a more immediate level if one can absolve everyone else of blame and do the hard work oneself.

That’s not to say there aren’t large-scale problems which require collaboration to solve, though.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by imtringued on Friday March 19, 2021 @07:54AM (#26512241)
When I think of imperialism I often see the exact opposite. A more advanced society is (often violently) forcing modern customs upon the invaded population and when the imperialists leave a lot of those modern customs get lost and the country turns into a backwater again. The imperialists might be evil, but they clearly knew what they were doing.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by starpilot on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:29PM (#26509674)
Colombia
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by sebmellen on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:34PM (#26509703)
Hey, thank you for the note. I just bought an iPhone and the autocorrect turns lowercase “colombia” into “columbia.” It does the opposite for cased versions of both words (Columbia -> Colombia).

Either way, both spellings come from the same person (Christopher Columbus/Cristoforo Colombo).

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by mc32 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:35PM (#26509712)
Ultimately both commemorate Columbus (Cristoforo Colombo and/or Christophorus Columbus respectively).
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by mbg721 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:23PM (#26509650)
Colombia in particular hasn't gotten a lot of press in the US other than for coffee and the drug war.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by schoen on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:46PM (#26509992)
I've noticed that too. I got to visit Colombia twice in the past couple of years and it was lovely, yet before I went I mostly had the same associations you mentioned ("coffee and the drug war"). The Colombians I met (who are, of course, not reflective or representative of everyone in the country) were extremely optimistic and excited for the future of their country.

Some random things I remember about Colombia:

* Cycling is big there. There are more bike lanes than pretty much anywhere else in Latin America. The practice of closing streets on a particular day for community cycling originated there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciclov%C3%ADa); in pre-pandemic San Francisco you might have encountered this as "Sunday Streets". It was mainly inspired by Colombia. Colombia has also had an increasing number of competitors in the Tour de France, including the 2019 overall winner, Egan Bernal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egan_Bernal).

* It's very, very mountainous. People in the U.S. might know Peru (and maybe Bolivia) as Andean countries, but there are four countries in the Andean Community (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_Community) (which is primarily a trade bloc rather than a geographic designation), and the mountain range continues along the entirety of the west side of South America. Most of Colombia's population lives near the mountains, although the biggest cities are primarily centered in valleys, sometimes stretching far up into the hills. There are dramatic views all over the place. Three cities have aerial tramways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aerial_tramways#_Colom...) either for commuters or tourists. I also heard that, as in other mountainous regions elsewhere in the world, the major cities have maintained significantly different cuisines and dialects because of how much effort it took to travel between regions, even when they were pretty close by as the crow flies.

* There are lots of public parks in the big cities, and they get a lot of use, even long into the evening. It probably helps a lot that it's quite warm in Colombia, but I also felt that this was a cultural thing. I was impressed at how much safer I felt in parks in Colombia at night than I would in urban parks in the U.S., probably in a Jane Jacobs "eyes on the street" sense.

* There are well-attended tech meetups and conferences. :-)

* "El Dorado" was originally a person, not a city, although it's not clear if the person really existed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Dorado).

* They make delicious things with corn (really, probably true of anywhere in or adjacent to Central America).

* Medellín (unlike other cities in Colombia) has a large, effective metro system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medell%C3%ADn_Metro).

Edit: A striking thing I forgot to mention is the calle/carrera system, where most cities make enormous use of numbered streets and avenues, to a much greater extent than ever I've seen anywhere else. Imagine if every city were like Manhattan, but with a numbered grid imposed over much larger parts of the city, even parts that weren't visually part of the main numbered grid. Colombian city streets are overwhelmingly numbered rather than named, and the Manhattan-style "5th at 40th" references are the norm.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by eloisius on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:52AM (#26510250)
I’ll add that the metro is efficient and clean by international standards, in case any readers think there was an implied “...for South America” at the end of that. It was cleaner, better maintained and more accessible to people with disabilities than any metro system I’ve used in the US, aside from _maybe_ the density of stations in NY.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:36PM (#26509948)
Perhaps, but being somewhat over the hill and not too far from retirement I feel like the secret is already out regarding Medellin being a great place for US ex-pats to retire.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by gnzoidberg on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:46PM (#26509461)
100% agree. I've met her and I like her. She wants to enjoy her 15 minutes which is understandable, but it's over the top. It's par for these times.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by hourislate on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:31AM (#26510170)
Her story is not unique. Millions of Immigrants have come to America and achieved great success. The country was built on Immigration. Some of the poorest and most desperate people (orphans, kids from slums, etc) have climbed to the very pinnacle of their industries. But never the less this story is another example of someone who was able to do what may have seemed impossible at some point in her life.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by wnevets on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:30AM (#26510164)
Every time there is a story like this on the frontpage of HN the top comment is usually something like this one. Should we stop celebrating people's accomplishments unless their name is Elon Musk?
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by KorematsuFred on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:02AM (#26510283)
> I have seen about her in the last 2 weeks,so either some people is using her to "celebrate diversity" or she has a PR working efficiently to prop-up a future endeavor.

I think celebrating diversity for the sake of diversity is stupid and the piece is probably PR for NASA.

But let me highlight that these sort of stories play a very very big role in many remote parts of the world (I come from one). The fact that someone owns a car, a house and has plenty of food on table can also be an inspirational story for many and I am not exaggerating.

I remember in my school when teacher asked us what our ambitions were our answers were "getting a job". One girl said she wants to be a "graduate" and the whole class laughed thinking she thinks too much of herself. So let us not downplay her achievement as "middle manager", I hope her story inspires more Colombians and let us hope that it also helps us think better of Colombia as a country and its people.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by Rapzid on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:10AM (#26510090)
> but this is a pathetic piece of pandering

The site is "goodnewsnetwork.org".. This is consensual pandering.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by nrb on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:28AM (#26510389)
Sorry to be glib, but who the hell cares? If the article is to believed, she worked her way up here in the states and in some part hard work and dedication led to a job that she’s passionate about that’s doing things that are inspiring to the US and really a decent chunk of humans worldwide.

It’s not like the article is claiming that this one success story means all of our gender and inequality problems are solved.

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by spoonjim on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:02PM (#26509830)
Come on. Many people, like myself, have come from vastly greater privilege and accomplished vastly less than her.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by Galaxity on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:09PM (#26509853)
"and now she is a middle manager there"

Wow, really need to throw some (what you think are) insults in there huh?

Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by wolfretcrap on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:51PM (#26510020)
This article claims only $300 as if that's the only value that this women posses. Society views women differently and often credit them with some innate value which can't easily be explained in context of men.
Re:She Came to the US to Study with Only $300 – Now She’s a ... by nrb on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:37AM (#26510413)
“Came to America with $x dollars in their pocket” is a common trope among many other immigrant stories like this, Arnold Schwarzenegger is another story that often begins this way.