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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by zetazzed on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:24PM (#26496959)
Having an Eclipse release sit on HN for 3 hours with zero comments seems like the most accurate depiction of the market's current feelings towards Eclipse...
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by Alupis on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:41PM (#26497108)
Plenty of people use Eclipse for their daily-driver. 2021-03 has been out for merely hours and already has clocked up over 11K downloads[1]. That, of course, doesn't count all the people happily using a previous version.

Eclipse itself has certainly improved dramatically in the last couple years. Speed, UI, Installation, etc. Lots of polish going into it...

[1] https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by Nicksil on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:21PM (#26497505)
>Having an Eclipse release sit on HN for 3 hours with zero comments seems like the most accurate depiction of the market's current feelings towards Eclipse...

This is a really strange observation.

Do a search here on HN for the Visual Studio Code editor and you'll find a number of posts with 0 comments. I use that editor as an example as it seems to be among what's popular at the moment.

I don't think you can derive much from the number of comments a post has after 3 hours. Some of the more popular posts on HN exist after the link had been submitted a number of times prior.

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by rbut on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:01PM (#26497297)
Not really. Eclipse has been my daily driver for python and web development the past 12 years. Every time I try another IDE, I find myself missing features that PyDev does so well, and end up going back.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by BenoitP on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:19PM (#26497489)
That's actually par for the course for a lot of Java content, and that's ok.

I'm not the youngest developer, and I like to see content on my steady bread-winner so I upvote it. Java is in a mature phase, so there are not a lot of surprises, and things to discuss. Even the shiny new things that make the platform unique like Loom have been years in the making.

Just Java being Java, where 'boring' is what you actually want from it.

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by pjmlp on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:56PM (#26497817)
Happy Eclipse and NetBeans user for what concerns Java development.

I rather suck it up and use Electron for Java development (VSCode + Microsoft/Red-Hat plugins) than having to deal with InteliJ.

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by jacques_chester on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:25PM (#26498053)
Well then, good news! Jetbrains Projector enables Swing apps to run as Electron apps: https://lp.jetbrains.com/projector/
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by heyoni on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:34PM (#26499466)
How do you even find that on their website? I don't see it anywhere!
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by jacques_chester on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:14AM (#26502293)
It was announced on the blog (https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/03/11/projector-is-out/). The actual website is surprisingly tricky to find, doesn't seem to have climbed google indices yet.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by pjmlp on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:36PM (#26498131)
You missed the point that I have to be paid to use InteliJ.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by jacques_chester on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:43PM (#26498180)
No, I got that you don't like either IntelliJ or VS Code. But I saw the narrow gap for a joke and decided to wiggle through.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by albertopv on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:45PM (#26497722)
Any recent (2y) Eclipse release with Darkest Dark theme is pretty good for me. Tried Intellij, VS Code... still prefer Eclipse. Maybe I'm just getting old.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by dig1 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:38PM (#26497087)
boring == stable, and I'm perfectly fine with that for serious projects. I'll leave to hipsters to pave new paths, and I'm going to learn from their mistakes ;)
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by serverholic on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:47PM (#26497169)
Lol at this point we are way past hipsters paving new paths. The paths are established and have been for awhile.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by mbreese on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:08PM (#26497363)
> The paths are established and have been for awhile

I'd rather say that old paths keep getting rediscovered. Such is the cyclic way of tech. There are always new "hipsters" that are freshly paving old paths, putting their unique spin on it.

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by jlengrand on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:44PM (#26497712)
Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eclipse come back into fashion in a couple years :D. Maybe in the form of Che. Who knows. Things come and go.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by dig1 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:01PM (#26497303)
Speaks like a true foot soldier. I'm very grateful for your service; we always need fresh meat :D
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by Scarbutt on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @10:12PM (#26499093)
Same as every Clojure post.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by jimbob45 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:07PM (#26497355)
Is there a use case for Eclipse that VS/VSC doesn’t outperform it at?
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by legerdemain on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:20PM (#26498013)
Yes, not having to install and integrate 5-6 workflow plugins of questionable provenance to have acceptable devex out of the box.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by thrower123 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @07:29AM (#26501578)
How are you able to use Eclipse without installing 5-6 plugins of questionable provenance and quality?
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by legerdemain on Thursday March 18, 2021 @04:48PM (#26507380)
Because Eclipse is an IDE, and at least for Java, it just works out of the box with default configuration. And that includes popular build tool integration, code execution, step-through debugging, version control, and a bunch of other stuff.

In the world of VSC, this stuff requires figuring out which tool the community recommends, configuring it, and making sure that all the things you chose actually work together.

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by brnt on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:57PM (#26498281)
My first and only interaction with Java was a short project. I installed Eclipse and had a prototype with GUI at the end of the day. I was an inexperienced programmer with zero Java experience at the start of the day, and I credit Eclipse with much of my onboarding.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by sitzkrieg on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @08:51PM (#26498637)
embedded developement full blown ides. almost all of them are eclipse bundles and reskins. except microchip mplabx, which is netbeans.

there is platformio for vscode in same vane but kind of a hodgepodge dog

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by dopidopHN on Thursday March 18, 2021 @12:29AM (#26499673)
I had to pull a all nighter on my personal machine to impress a job prospect. The project was in a mix of java/scala, I use both at work with Eclipse on my work machine.

On a whim, I decided to give VsCode a spin, since I don't code java for fun there was no IDE for it on my personal machine.

I spent the night pesting at VsCode. Many very basic things require a plugin, and some are not present.

Will not use again to do Java. I like it for python.

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by Skhalar on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:00PM (#26497861)
Defense industry.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by skinkestek on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:09PM (#26497375)
Refactoring?

Speeding up Maven compiles?

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by Zardoz84 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:10PM (#26497944)
a complex project where there is multiple maven projects
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by jbullock35 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:12PM (#26497955)
R with StatET?
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by thrower123 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:21PM (#26497511)
IntelliJ is probably the better comparison. It's not free, but for $100/year or whatever it is, it's worth it to not have to use Eclipse.
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by pjmlp on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:00PM (#26497858)
So why pay for turning the laptop into an airplane getting ready for take off, lack of incremental compilation, no support for mixed language debugging with JNI, 10 key combos, having to explicitly search issues (inspections), no javadoc tooltips by default?
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by thrower123 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @07:28AM (#26501571)
None of that is accurate, in my experience of using it, but go on...
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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by Someone on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:28PM (#26498072)
For those who don’t know: there is a free Apache licensed version of IntelliJ.

It’s usable for Java/scala development, but lacks features. Feature comparison at https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_....

And “whatever it is” is $499 for the first, $399 for the second, and $299 for later years (https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl...)

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Re:Eclipse IDE 2021-03 by Sindisil on Thursday March 18, 2021 @12:45AM (#26499746)
That is the institutional pricing.

The individual price for Ultimate Edition is $149 the first year, $119 the second consecutive year, and $89 a year from then on.

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