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Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:16AM (#26475689)
One thing that always seems to be missing from these videos (in general, because there are many of them) is step 0: how do you go about acquiring the land and the permission to build a log cabin on this land? I can't imagine that there's many countries in the world where there is no build code or other legislation regarding how or where buildings can be built. The last thing I'd want to do is spend an entire year building something that I would then be legally obliged to tear down.

If you're felling a large amount of trees in a forest, at the bare minimum you need the blessing of the land owner (if that isn't you). Most likely, you'll also need in addition to this a permit to fell trees to begin with, because land owners in most countries aren't free to simply fell any amount of trees they wish just because they own the land.

It's obviously an impressive feat to build a log cabin from scratch, but since this step is so often completely omitted, I have to ask myself whether this is because it's considered too boring, or because there are people out there who think that as long as you go far enough into the woods, you can do whatever you want because no one will notice.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by fogihujy on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:54AM (#26476698)
About 70% of Sweden is covered with forests, so acquiring some land covered by trees should be fairly trivial assuming one has the money for it. An article about this particular young builder mentions he built it on land owned by his family[1].

I'm not entirely sure about Swedish regulations in regards to building permits, but based on a quick Internet search it looks like one may or may not require a permit, based on the location, size and purpose of the the log cabin, and as a rule of thumb one should check with the local authorities before starting construction. The Swedish rules seem to be more lax when the building is to be located in sparsely populated areas.

If it's anything like the rules in Finland there's probably a bunch of environmental and building codes that needs to be adhered to, but on the other hand this is a traditional build so it might be perfectly possible that he just needed to submit the plans and get someone to approve them.

[1]: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vastmanland/han-bygger-en-...

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by toxik on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:13AM (#26476905)
Specifically, Swedish building codes don't apply to small constructions, hence the rise of the friggebod: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friggebod

> In Sweden, a friggebod is a small house which can be built without any planning permission on a land lot with a single-family or a duplex house. It is named after Birgit Friggebo, who was the Minister for Housing in 1979 when the new type of building was allowed. The word is a portmanteau of Friggebo and bod, the Swedish word for shed.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by fogihujy on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:35AM (#26477209)
Yeah, the rules are similar in Finland (hardly surprising since the Nordic countries often try to harmonize laws), but there are specific requirements for buildings if one intends to live there permanently -- i.e. if you're building a shed in the yard then you might not require a permit, but you might need one if you build a small cottage and intend to live in it.

Regardless, it's usually a matter of documenting that the new building adheres to various standards.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:42AM (#26477311)
Both a "Friggebod" and an "Attefallshus" requires the building to be built on "a land lot with a single-family or a duplex house", as you mention, which hardly applies for a house built in the middle of the forest. While I can't be sure, I don't think land lots with houses on them are merged with kilometers of owned forest. And even if it is: there are regulations on how and where you are allowed to fell trees.

I want to clarify that I'm not saying this building is illegal, which is what some people seem to choose to read: I simply said that a large step in this process often seems to be omitted.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jk7tarYZAQNpTQa on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @01:28PM (#26479954)
> there are regulations on how and where you are allowed to fell trees.

If you own the land, and neither the land nor the tree (specimen or species) is protected, you should have no problem.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by gerikson on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:35AM (#26477211)
Since expanded to even larger dimensions:

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attefallshus (link in Swedish)

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by fogihujy on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:40AM (#26477284)
Is that really relevant in this case though? The Wikipedia page you refer to specifically mentions that there has to be existing buildings on the property for those rules to apply.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by gerikson on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:26AM (#26478040)
No it's not really relevant, but then neither is the Friggebod, which was the subject of the parent of my comment.

These rules are mostly for built-up areas with neighbors. The rules used to be very draconian, but during the late 70s they were liberalized.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by dheera on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:40PM (#26479178)
I believe in the US you can usually build small sheds (<100 sqft) in your backyard without a permit but IANAL.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Scoundreller on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @03:54PM (#26482016)
Usually as an accessory structure, but things can get dicey if there isn’t a residential structure already on the property.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by burlesona on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:27AM (#26477092)
Just FWIW in much of the rural US you are largely exempt from building codes if you are building your own primary residence. The logic being that if you built it and you live in it and it kills you, well, you only have yourself to blame. This doesn’t apply for many town and city locations, though, as there are often local zoning controls that make you build cookie cutter garbage. But the smaller and and less regulated the area, the more likely you’re allowed to build what you want so long as you do it yourself and don’t sell it to anyone else.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by dwiel on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:18PM (#26478851)
I've found that places exempt from building codes are much more common than places exempt from health code. Be sure to read up on local plumbing, waste water, septic, etc. code. They will often dictate things like how big the septic system needs to be, how big pipes need to be etc. Generally good rules to follow if you want such a system. If you want a legal outhouse or composting toilet and/or grey water setup, there are very few places in the US which allow it so be sure to read up first.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by devenson on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:42AM (#26477317)
This is true in less and less areas, even rural. For example Tennessee adopted state-wide building codes, and counties/cities have to explicitly opt out, otherwise they too are constrained by the codes.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by pasttense01 on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @01:22PM (#26494216)
Even if there are state-wide building codes there usually are not building inspectors in lots of rural areas--too expensive for the local governments. So the only problem is if someone complains to the local governing council. This might happen in rural areas with rich residents--but not poor ones.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:40AM (#26477285)
Ok, but does being exempt from building codes mean you have the freedom to fell trees in the forest and build a house with them? What if you sell the lumber? Presumably the land is owned by someone, regardless of how remote it is. If you own the land and you're exempt from building codes, are you allowed to fell any amount of tress without regulation? How do you know that the area you're in is not protected?
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by devenson on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:48AM (#26477416)
You must own the land. Generally if they haven't adopted building codes, there aren't many other constraints. But you have to research them via the city, county, and state websites. Fancy counties usually have GIS systems you can access with all sorts protected area delineated.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:52AM (#26477476)
My point being that since this is not an insignificant amount of work, it's odd that it's so often omitted. I've seen many videos like this but I've never seen it mentioned at all.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jk7tarYZAQNpTQa on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @01:33PM (#26480043)
It's often omitted because the person doing the video usually owns the land. If you decide to build a cabin (not a primary residence) on a piece of land of your property, the amount of work is not insignificant, it's nonexistent.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by tstrimple on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:14PM (#26478774)
You'll probably find more of that sort of content in the "homesteading" communities rather than the solitary off in the woods alone Youtubers. Here's an example I stumbled across recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWgG5pmhdik

They tend to get more into the realities of this type of work and lifestyle.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by ForHackernews on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:10AM (#26477754)
It's not odd at at all, it makes perfect sense: These videos are about a fantasy of self-reliance and retreat from modern society.

Purchasing land, getting building permits, etc. are not part of the fantasy, so they are never going to feature in the video.

It's like saying "these videos of hot bikini models oddly omit all the dieting and exercise"

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by CalRobert on Thursday March 18, 2021 @07:04PM (#26508482)
Well, in some cases people are just ignoring laws because they know enforcement is lax.

Technically, I need to get a permit to cut down _any_ tree over 5 years old more than 30 meters from my house. Nobody does this, and the law is unenforced, but I probably wouldn't put up a video of it for fear of attracting attention.

I also should have tried to get a permit for my daughters' playhouse - _clearly_ not an inhabitable structure - because it's in the curtilage of a protected structure. But I didn't.

Recording things and putting them online invites complaint from busybodies though.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:15AM (#26477845)
If we're just going to make up loosely related metaphors, here's another one: it's like posting a car review composed of nothing but accelerating the car on a highway.

You consider these videos fantasy, for others they may be instructional. That everyone watches popular videos with exactly the same perspective seems pretty unlikely.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by mym1990 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:04PM (#26478622)
The creator isn't doing a 'review of building a log cabin in the woods'. Building codes vary so widely from country to country, let alone city to city, and then rural area to rural area, the chance that it has any relevance to you is small. TBH if the video started off with building permits I highly doubt many people would stick around.

You may look at this video as instructional, and that's probably okay, but it definitely wasn't created for that purpose. So its up to you to do the research on the omitted content.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by DubiousPusher on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:16PM (#26478826)
The answer to 0 is "call your local permitting office". For real, these people are usually really nice. At first they will probably talk over your head because most of their work is with seasoned developers but as soon as they understand you are a noob they can usually talk you through what you need to do.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:52PM (#26481201)
Or they're annoyed you're wasting their time by trying to pull permits as a homeowner but can't outright say that they expect you to not get permits and that they don't care.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by DubiousPusher on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @10:23PM (#26499149)
You have encountered this? I've pulled permits in multiple municipalities and have not encountered this issue.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by m463 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:42PM (#26486263)
> posting a car review composed of nothing but accelerating the car on a highway

"Hello, Geico. How much to insure a Huracan?"

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Consultant32452 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:40AM (#26478276)
Where do you live that you can't chop down trees on land you own? What is the point of private property if you can't even cut down your own trees?
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by rmah on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:36PM (#26479118)
In much of the United States (and I assume Europe), there are a variety of environmental regulations which restrict what you can do with your land. I don't know them in detail, but I know that tree removal, wetland removal, changing watersheds, drilling/mining, storing toxic chemicals, etc. often require permits. This is the price of environmental regulations.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by CalRobert on Thursday March 18, 2021 @07:07PM (#26508500)
In Ireland, it is illegal to cut down any tree in the countryside if it's more than 30 meters from a dwelling and more than 5 years old, with a few exceptions.

Arguably, this is to protect what little woodland we have left. Practically, though, it means that I would _love_ to reforest my land with native species, but don't, because it will forever lose its value as grazing land.

And I tend to agree, though private property is a complicated thing. After all, who did you buy it from? And who did they buy it from? And the person before that? Unless you're royalty and can defend your property by force (arguably the only true allodial title), you're basically borrowing the land from whatever government defends it for you.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by adamredwoods on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:27PM (#26478984)
In the city of Seattle (for example), there are rules for cutting down trees even on private property.

http://www.seattle.gov/sdci/codes/codes-we-enforce-(a-z)/tre...

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by bluGill on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @01:57PM (#26480426)
If the tree is endangered, or the root system is what is holding soil in place preventing landslides, or there is an endangered something else on the land you are sometimes blocked from cutting a tree.

California is famous for such regulations. In other states you are unlikely to have problems.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Consultant32452 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:24PM (#26482372)
Sure, we're talking about the exceptions vs the rule. The rule, generally, is you can do whatever you want with trees on your private property. There are relatively rare exceptions in cases like you mentioned if an endangered bird has a nest on your tree or something.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Johnythree on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:17AM (#26500073)
Cutting down trees without a permit is illegal in pretty much all of Australia.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hoppyhoppy2 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:42AM (#26477309)
An uninsurable, valueless house that I can't get a mortgage to build nor sell to someone else... I can't imagine why this isn't a more popular option
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by mym1990 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:06PM (#26478658)
Its crazy that someone would do something they probably really enjoy without getting financial benefit out of it. JUST WILD.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by minikites on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:13PM (#26478763)
Under capitalism and according to its most vigorous devotees, it is in fact crazy, because the only important thing to them in life is revenue and wealth. You can see it in the various flavors of "hustle culture" and in the ways people are personally hurt when you insult their favorite corporate brand.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by emteycz on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:34PM (#26479089)
I have never seen a capitalist positioned against pleasure. Why would they bother otherwise? Merely surviving can be done for nearly zero money.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Scoundreller on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:56AM (#26477538)
Making housing 3-4x as expensive to build, to include things you don’t need, to qualify for 20:1 leverage is a new phenomenon.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by minikites on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:00PM (#26478554)
Housing is expensive because of the real estate market (speculation, Airbnb, predatory landlords), not because houses are built to have "things you don't need".
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Scoundreller on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @03:50PM (#26481955)
Not if you’re building a shack in the woods.

“Where’s the R40 insulation?” “This is a 3-season cabin unoccupied 75% of the time. Or the insulation is weak, but the structure and windows are small, so it’s actually far more efficient than an R40 mansion”

“Where’s the septic field?” “The toilet is for guests (100flushes/yr) into a holding tank, pumped out yearly. I use the outhouse”

“Where’s the 20A circuits in the kitchen?” “I have 1 socket for 1 appliance, everything else is gas”

“Why aren’t there sockets every 10 feet?” “The whole point is to NOT have dozens of gizmos here”

“Your shower doesn’t drain into an approved gray-water system” “I can wash my car/shower outside but can’t shower with a bucket indoors?”

“This doesn’t meet min sqft requirements” “I built all the sqft I need, I’ll spend a half my time here hiking and fishing”

Crap like that.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by mc32 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:39AM (#26478254)
I’m not sure someone building out in the woods is actually looking to be encumbered by the trappings of living in an incorporated village?

One whole reason to build out in the boondocks is to build as you like. So it’s kind of beside the point, I think.

On the other hand if you want to build to some code, no one is stopping you either, so there is that.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by newman8r on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:32AM (#26478143)
It's a more viable option if all you're looking for is a simple place to live.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by CalRobert on Thursday March 18, 2021 @07:09PM (#26508517)
To be fair, I got a 200+ year old cottage on a few acres with commuter train service under €100k because I was willing to look at uninsurable, unmortgageable houses. Eccentrics with cash are a market too.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by shanecleveland on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:30PM (#26479029)
Insurance and liability would be a concern for me. I guess if you don't have anyone over and have few possessions it doesn't matter.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by lqet on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:29AM (#26475814)
> If you're felling a large amount of trees in a forest, at the bare minimum you need the blessing of the land owner (if that isn't you).

Great memories: I spend an entire summer building a primitive "log cabin" from young trees as a kid with a few friends in the forest behind my parent's house. After the cabin was nearly finished, we were chased one day by a group of adults (apparently the owners of the forest) and hid a few hours deep in the woods. We only returned the next spring, when we finished the roof. I remember how proud we were when we cycled to the hardware store one day and bought a cheap lock for the cabin door. We lost interest the next year, of course, but the cabin remained intact for years. The local kindergarten used to go there for a few years.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by cmpb on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:25AM (#26476363)
I have similar memories of building shanties and lean-tos and things with my brother behind our house in the woods. I had always assumed it was my grandfather's land, but I only discovered recently that the logging company owns it. Not that they would care - they can't use it because it's protected due to the riparian habitat.

It sounds like our productions were a lot less involved than your "log cabin" though. Mostly just switches and young hollies tied together with briar vines to form a roof, occasionally with walls (built of the same materials).

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by varjag on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:13AM (#26476239)
What an endearing form of inverse squatting :)
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Grustaf on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:29AM (#26475813)
Buying an acre of forest in Northern Sweden is not expensive, less than $2k. Even close to Stockholm it's not much more than that, so it's really not a relevant concern if you are willing to spend a year building your own house.

As to building codes, they are very strict in zoned areas, possibly the strictest in the world, but it's much more relaxed in rural areas. Plus even in zoned areas you can always build a 30 m2 supplemental building. Plus a 15 m2 shed.

> considered too boring

Would you really find it interesting to watch the process of him signing the contract to acquire the land? I can't think of anything less exciting than that.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Cullinet on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:16AM (#26476274)
I have no idea how true this is, but my friend who claimed to have verified his research most thoroughly and was hell bent on attempting this against everyone's advice for he wasn't the outdoors man by any means, asserted the entirely legal possibility of building a cabin north of the arctic circle in Sweden and providing you could self sustain yourself out there for five consecutive winters the law would fairly automatically give you citizenship.

I thought to put this here just because it's such a romantic notion regardless and I'd love it to be true, but I fear my dear friend was never less than a true romantic soul himself and it may have been a genius line with the ladies fed up with London living...

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Grustaf on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:19AM (#26476299)
Citizenship after 5 years is far from automatic, and living north of the Arctic circle doesn't help your case I'm afraid... But on the other hand, if you sustain yourself chances are you can live your whole life there without anyone noticing.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jfk13 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:46AM (#26476598)
Although depending how good you really are at the "sustain yourself" bit, you might find that "your whole life" isn't all that long.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by m12k on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:09AM (#26477736)
Reminds me of Pratchett: “Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.”
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jacquesm on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @03:27PM (#26481648)
I've been there. There definitely would be people noticing unless you went far away from the roads. There aren't a whole lot of people living there but they're there and they are quite aware of what is going on.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Grustaf on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:29PM (#26482453)
Been where? There are definitely places in Sweden where you can spend years without being seen. The population density in Upper Norrland is 3 people per square km...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Norrland

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jacquesm on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:09PM (#26484940)
Quite a bit north of the arctic circle, moving from Finland to Sweden and then back down again.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by gerikson on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:37AM (#26477247)
The requirements for Swedish citizenship are clearly spelled out here: https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/...
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by danaliv on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:58AM (#26478524)
"You must have lived in Sweden for five years with right of residence." (Emphasis added.)

Seems there's an important detail here.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by disabled on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @12:28AM (#26486537)
Many Americans tend to think that you can live/work/retire almost anywhere in the world, but particularly western and Northern Europe (“eastern Europe” is viewed with derision by Americans, even though once these countries become part of the European Union, they become westernized pretty fast), as long as you have a “high paying job” (that an individual can work remotely) and “are willing to pay the taxes”—-and in some cases “are willing to learn the language”.

It is quite offensive. But, it is a prime example of American imperialism/colonialism at its best, when the American empire is not only in hardcore decline, but literally crumbling, if not collapsing.

Also, I love all of the Americans in the past few days who are trashing both the European Union (who did not suspend AstraZeneca vaccinations) and the European Union countries that have suspended the AstraZeneca vaccine for a week, most likely, at the absolute longest. By the way, those EU countries made that decision independently from the EU, so maybe you should not be trashing the EU here. We also have other vaccines in our arsenal to fight this. We also trust our officials, and we have a culture of doing so. We are willing to pay taxes not only for a stable government, but a stable society.

Yes, the EU did mess up with the procurement of vaccines, but we will get through this. We have handled the pandemic better than America has (I am also American...).

Oh yeah, to the Americans reading this: the EU, and its founding and its precursor organizations were designed for “what to do after your empire fails”. I suggest Americans maybe try to learn about this. Otherwise they are going to have more of the same, as in rulers like Trump or worse.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by ike77 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:52AM (#26476042)
I'm pretty sure you'd find an audience, even for an accounting competition reality show. Too bad Netflix hasn't yet produced one
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by AdamJacobMuller on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:13AM (#26476245)
Given an identical set of financial information, who can produce a 1040 with the lowest tax liability/highest refund!
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by saalweachter on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:18PM (#26480719)
It doesn't quite go into "watching someone sign the paperwork" levels of detail, but money/permitting problems are frequently at least 5 minutes of each "Grand Designs" episode.

My favorite was where someone built a house in the middle of a block, in previously unused land between the houses, and had to get permission from 17 separate future neighbors to tear down and rebuild the back walls of their gardens while digging the foundations of their house.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Grustaf on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:58AM (#26476102)
Could be. But it’s probably not the same audience as the wilderness/survival/woodworking audience!
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by mclightning on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:35AM (#26476471)
Where do you find those? When I filter max limit as 200k sek (20k eur) on Hemnet, I get only 1 in all of Sweden.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by CerebralCerb on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:45AM (#26476586)
https://www.hemnet.se/bostad/tomt-robertsfors-robertsfors-ko...

Free as long as you live there afterwards.

https://www.hemnet.se/bostad/tomt-norra-rorum-hoors-kommun-s...

10k SEK, close enough to cities to commute.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by mclightning on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:54AM (#26476695)
Aha, you mean as "tomt". I was looking for "Gårdar/skogar", to have some forest within the lot.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by 42_ on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:03AM (#26476799)
If I wasn't stuck in an Asian country, I would pay decent money to live there :(
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by xmm on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:36AM (#26477232)
Neither is close to 1 ha though.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by chupasaurus on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:18AM (#26477900)
GP was using an acre as a measurement, the 2nd link is in the 200K SEK/acre range, and there are [0] plenty of offers he described.

[0] https://www.hemnet.se/bostader?by=land_area&housing_form_gro...

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by dosshell on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:07AM (#26476829)
You call the owner of the forest. Many owners I know think it is fun that a younger population wants to be in the forest and wouldn't hesitate to sell off a bit for that purpose.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by progre on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:52AM (#26476671)
I believe that it's quite difficult to buy such small parcels of forest in Sweden without already owning adjacent lots if the land is "zoned" for forestry. You can "sneak" into this by buying derelict farms where the forest is included, but expect to pay more.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by cpach on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:23AM (#26475748)
In Sweden, to acquire land you can contact a landowner, or a broker. For available land, see e.g. https://www.hemnet.se/bostader?by=price&housing_form_groups%...

The building codes are administrated by the municipalities. To find out more, one would visit the website of the municipality where one would like to build the house. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_of_Swed...

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:45AM (#26477358)
The point of my comment was not to ask how to do it, it was an observation that these presumably important steps are almost never mentioned in these types of videos.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by kaffekaka on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:23AM (#26475750)
It says here - in swedish - that it is on property that his family owns.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vastmanland/han-bygger-en-...

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:45AM (#26477368)
That's fine, but it doesn't give any information on all the other questions around what needs to be done before you start hammering away on your log cabin.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by pp19dd on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:06AM (#26476822)
'He lives in the forests north of Sala on the family land.'
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by honkdaddy on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:23AM (#26475753)
I think it really depends on the country/province. Here in Ontario, it's pretty common to find little hunting shacks or small cabins out in Crown land. My understanding is all you need is written permission from the MNR, permission which understandably depends a lot on what you're building.

Interestingly, if you're First Nations, those laws don't apply to you and you can essentially build whatever you like on Crown Land, provided you can make the case it relates to your cultural heritage.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by ficklepickle on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:56AM (#26478485)
In BC, we just discovered a small abandoned village in the woods[0]. It was not far from Vancouver. It was used by Japanese avoiding internment during WW2.

There are many places where you could build and live the rest of your life without seeing another human (all on crown land) if you are so inclined. I don't hate society quite that much yet, but I'm keeping it in my back pocket.

0 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/hidden-japanese-se...

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by whalesalad on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:21AM (#26476321)
Your entire comment is stipulated on the idea that it is hard to acquire land/permission. What big city do you live in?

In many parts of world it is pretty easy to acquire land out in the middle of nowhere and basically do whatever the hell you want on it.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Johnythree on Thursday March 18, 2021 @02:30AM (#26500124)
In most of Australia, land which was previously zoned as "rural living" has secretly been rezoned as "Farming" which means you cannot build a house if it is less than 100 acres. And you sure as hell cannot build without the design being approved. And then unless you can get a "Certificate of Occupancy" you can't live there.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:36AM (#26477226)
I never said it's "hard", I said it's glanced over, i.e. never mentioned in these types of videos despite it being (I assume) something that requires a not insignificant amount of time. And no, I don't expect it to be described in excruciating detail, I'm just saying it's usually not mentioned at all.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by emteycz on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:22AM (#26475742)
European countries often have minimums on what has to be allowed by the government. In my country (Czechia), a 25 square meters house without basement can be built on suitable land with only notifying the government, no approvals needed.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by drra on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:34AM (#26475859)
In Poland it's 35 square meters of footprint of a single storey building as long as the land is designated as buildable or recreational. But it has to conform to a plethora of local zoning laws making it kind of tricky. Once you fall out of notification only proces it can take a long time to receive a permit.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by intricatedetail on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:24AM (#26477047)
What about trees? In some countries even if you own the land you cannot cut the trees without permission and you'd have to put every cut tree back - which means buying a similar grown tree and paying for moving it. This can easily cost millions.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by madaxe_again on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:41AM (#26478278)
Yeah, here in our corner of Portugal it’s 100m2, any purpose, no permits required. We’ve just built a 45m2 log cabin, entirely manually.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by kuerbel on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:17AM (#26477876)
Definitely not possible in Germany just like that, there was / is a person who tried it (Marc Freuke, he was on TV quite often so I feel comfortable sharing his name) and got sued by the municipality. Building code here is already vicious, development plans are just as bad. You are not at all allowed to built on basically everything that is deemed "outside"/outskirts, there are some exceptions but a Jurte or Tipi or cabin is usually out of the way. Even if you own the land. Of course, it is a bit more complicated than that but that is the gist of it.

In essence, you will have a hard time trying to do this.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by intricatedetail on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:20AM (#26476993)
In some countries if you fell a tree without permission, you have to put the equivalent tree back. Such operation could easily cost million euro to restore the forest.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by swader999 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:40AM (#26477279)
A seedling costs about a dollar to grow, fifty cents to plant.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:46AM (#26477379)
The value of a seedling is not equivalent to the value of a tree.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by swader999 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:59AM (#26477586)
Indeed, but five plus three does equal eight.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by intricatedetail on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:14AM (#26477819)
The tree must be the same appearance, so this can take decades to grow and then you have to transport it without damaging its roots and then you have 50% chance it will not die. If it fails to grow you have to repeat it until it is brought to a state before cutting.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by swader999 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:35AM (#26478194)
Trees make pine cones that beget other trees. Thinning a young forest is a step that is sometimes needed. Seedlings are replanted into the harvested land directly so this risk of death due to root shock isn't really an issue unless the seedlings are intentionally abused.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by intricatedetail on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @07:55PM (#26484821)
But if you cut a mature tree it needs to be replaced with a tree of similar age, not a seedling. That's the whole point why it can be a so expensive mistake.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hindsightbias on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:20PM (#26478887)
You can do anything you want in most rural CA counties (even Sonoma and Napa) as long as it's 120 sqft or less, no permanent foundation, electric or water.

I personally found his series a bit painful to watch as he's doing it all the hard way (which is his point).

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by Mediterraneo10 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @11:54AM (#26478470)
Obviously the hard initial stuff is missing from these sorts of videos, because that isn’t glamorous. Content creators want to start from the things that will attract people's attention.

It is similar to how, for example, there are many videos for how to travel the world by bike and how you can budget for it daily, but extremely few of those videos explain that cyclists typically have to work really hard in some boring normal job for a while to save up that budget for their travels, and then the process of buying all the necessary gear can be long and frustrating as one has to compare various websites and wait for things to arrive by post. Who wants to watch that?

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by cgh on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:51PM (#26479358)
You are right, I have noticed this especially with the tiny house people. They build the house to save money and then park it somewhere. But where? Almost inevitably, it's family land, like a farm or something.

Other posters have noted this but Canada is almost unique because of its vast forested wilderness and sparse population. If you wanted to buy a parcel of forest somewhere and build a cabin, it wouldn't be a particularly expensive undertaking, so long as it's well away from an expensive urban area like eg the Lower Mainland of BC.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jandrese on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @03:01PM (#26481320)
If you are remote enough it is unlikely that anybody will ever bother you. No civil servant, no matter how dedicated, is going to hike 100km through dense wild forest to deliver a fine.

The only time you're in danger with the law is when some logging company buys the rights to the land where your cabin happens to be and you're in the way of the clearcutting. But if you're far enough from any roads even this is extremely unlikely.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by monkeynotes on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:04AM (#26476802)
If you own land in the backwoods of rural Canada I doubt anyone who cares would know you've built the cabin. If there is no plumbing, power, road etc. and the cabin is under 500sq/ft and you have logging rights I can't imagine anyone has jurisdiction to oppose. Unincorporated land, no environmental impact, ownership of the property. I can't see a problem.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by hnarn on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:37AM (#26477238)
> no environmental impact

How do you know if you don't bother to look it up? Many countries have national parks and entire areas where any "modification" to nature is illegal.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by monkeynotes on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @10:57AM (#26477542)
To my knowledge you cannot own national park land in Canada. I should have said "minimal environmental impact", but yes it's probably something you should look into to make sure you aren't close to water courses or disturbing some kind of nesting area. By and large though, building a small cabin with no services in the woods is going to by definition have minimal environmental footprint if you follow common sense and do a little research.
Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jrochkind1 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @12:33PM (#26479072)
In most of the United States, you need no permit whatsoever to fell trees on private property. Yes, including clear-cutting your forest and selling it for lumber.

This is not a good thing though.

Exceptions apply in some localities, please check before cutting down all your trees.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by wing-_-nuts on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:13PM (#26480639)
>This is not a good thing though.

Serious question. Why does the government have any business telling me what I can and cannot do with my own property if it does not impact others?

I'm not saying i support clearcutting, from a purely environmental and aesthetic point of view, but I really disagree with government or any other associations telling me what I can do with my own property.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by jrochkind1 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:00PM (#26485295)
Because the presence of trees effects others. In an urban/suburban area they effect temperature, air quality, and rainwater runoff, among other things.

In a rural area in bulk, they effect air quality and carbon capture. Also erosion and water run-off. Clear-cutting a forest completely changes the local ecology, and not for the better, in a way that is irreversible.

We all need trees, and they take many years to grow to maturity. they should not be cut down en masse capriciously. And to do so effects others.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by lotsofpulp on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @02:50PM (#26481171)
It doesn’t, but it usually does impact others. Whether or not you think it’s sufficient for government intervention is obviously political, whether it be maintaining a neighborhood’s design to prop up resale value and keep out riff raft via HOA, or not letting people cut down trees for environmental or even aesthetic reasons, etc.

Almost everything we do impacts others though, in some way.

Re:One Year Alone in Forest of Sweden Building a Log Cabin by wing-_-nuts on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @04:42PM (#26482663)
Ah, you might have guessed I lean decidedly libertarian on the topic :^). I'm certainly with some things (esp pollution, or destruction of other's property), but I have precisely no interest in catering to someone's 'property values' or aesthetics. I'm usually ok with reasonable stuff like adhering to city codes, but I would never by a detached home with an HOA.