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Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by dang on Thursday March 11, 2021 @04:18PM (#26429116)
Please don't put "Show HN" on reading material. That's not what Show HN is for: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html.
Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by centimeter on Thursday March 11, 2021 @04:14PM (#26429085)
(For context, I lived in Hong Kong from 2014 to late 2020)

I'm not sure why protestors would take tips from the HK protestors. After all, they were not at all successful.

I attribute this problem to two things:

1) Hong Kongers are culturally mostly British.

2) Modern British culture has no martial tradition whatsoever, and therefore no practical ability to mount a successful resistance to any kind of even moderately-equipped state actor that is willing to use force.

If you're dealing with a polite government that's strictly constrained by voter approval, then the HK strategy might work.

Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by mhh__ on Thursday March 11, 2021 @04:18PM (#26429123)
> and therefore no practical ability to mount a successful resistance to any kind of even moderately-equipped state actor that is willing to use force.

Culturally Ireland has more in common with Britain than differences and the IRA were at very least at it for a while.

I vaguely agree with the conclusion however.

Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by centimeter on Thursday March 11, 2021 @04:22PM (#26429163)
I think Ireland's lack of a martial tradition from the British side was compensated for by the healthy martial tradition on the Catholic side. (No value judgement about the IRA intended.)
Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by busrf on Thursday March 11, 2021 @04:47PM (#26429425)
How is “martial tradition” related to protest effectiveness? You know there’s more to building long lived protest movements than street fighting, right? The doc itself lists many forms of effective action that had nothing to do with “martial tradition”.
Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by centimeter on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:02PM (#26429578)
> You know there’s more to building long lived protest movements than street fighting, right

There's also more to being successful than being "long lived".

If you're going up against the Chinese government, you need some degree of violence in excess of that levied by the HK protestors.

> The doc itself lists many forms of effective action

The HK protest actions were not at all effective.

Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by threatofrain on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:39PM (#26429918)
It may have been that there was no winning position for HK.
Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by smitty1e on Friday March 12, 2021 @04:58AM (#26433935)
Departure.

Part of winning strategically is understanding that only 'sufficient' tactical engagements must be won.

Getting annihilated does not advance the cause.

Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by hungryhobo on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:02PM (#26430634)
Culturally and politically influenced by Britain sure, but to say hk is culturally British is just nonsense.
Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by centimeter on Thursday March 11, 2021 @11:55PM (#26432345)
I spent 2 years in London and 6 years in HK so I think I'm reasonably equipped to make that judgement
Re:The HK19 manual – A crowdsourced protest guide by Ansil849 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @04:15PM (#26429099)
What is this?

This guide appears to be advocating poisoning people over prolonged periods of time. Wtf? I'm not sure how that is a 'protest guide' versus just ruminations on murder or general harm.

On page 68:

> There are classes we never tried but probably should have...

> Poisoner. Dictators and their troops need to eat. Chronic poison that takes weeks to take effect is an interesting option.