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Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by bryanlarsen on Monday March 08, 2021 @08:37AM (#26385532)
Interest rates are at zero. When official inflation starts ticking up they'll raise interest rates which will deflate the stock & house price bubble and cut inflation off at the knees.

We have lots of things to worry about -- inflation isn't one of them.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by dominotw on Monday March 08, 2021 @09:34AM (#26386164)
> We have lots of things to worry about -- inflation isn't one of them.

I really hate this comment. I am worried about not being able to ever being afford a house for my family. Avg income in my neighborhood is ~49k but a 2 bed condo here are selling for 450K and getting outbid by 75k over the asking price. Its insane.

Maybe you already own a house and are happy that prices are up. But its really weird to tell other ppl what they should be worried about.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by throwawaygh on Monday March 08, 2021 @10:39AM (#26386838)
> Avg income in my neighborhood is ~49k but a 2 bed condo here are selling for 450K and getting outbid by 75k over the asking price. Its insane.

Sure, and your point about housing prices mattering is a good one (see my other comment on this story). But, this describes maybe a few dozen housing markets. Probably only a couple dozen if you cut out resort/ski towns. It's a regional problem, not systemic problem with the national economy.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by jbay808 on Monday March 08, 2021 @11:09AM (#26387230)
> But, this describes maybe a few dozen housing markets. Probably only a couple dozen if you cut out resort/ski towns. It's a regional problem

It, uh, describes all of Canada actually.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-economy-housing-an...

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by throwawaygh on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @12:23AM (#26395688)
That's totally fair; sorry for assuming the thread was US-centric.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by freyir on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @02:18AM (#26408718)
It also describes the most populous US state. The median housing price is now over $700k in California, while the median household income is around $80k.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by throwawaygh on Monday March 15, 2021 @01:15PM (#26468683)
California is an outlier. Even within California, the $700K number is caused by a few outlier markets.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by freyir on Friday March 26, 2021 @08:13PM (#26598521)
$700k is the median. The average is even higher, and especially so in “outlier markets” (where outlier here means the cities and surrounding suburbs where most people live).

Also, more Americans live in California than any other state. So if it’s an outlier, it’s an especially impactful one.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by dominotw on Monday March 08, 2021 @10:49AM (#26386947)
> But, this describes maybe a few dozen housing markets.

Its a national problem

https://www.redfin.com/us-housing-market

'few dozen' is what like 3 dozens? Assuming its a problem only in 36 markets. Wouldn't that be a 'national problem' ? 36 markets should covers a majority of population in the country.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by throwawaygh on Monday March 08, 2021 @10:55AM (#26387015)
Because relatively few regional housing markets have non-luxury 2 bed condos going for $525,000 (75K over 450K, per your original post).

E.g., in the Midwest you'd have to be in a nice part of Chicago or choosing the most expensive city neighborhood of a mid-sized city to find a meaningful number of $525K 2 bed condos. And even then, spending that much on a condo is 100% an unnecessary luxury. 10 minutes in any direction prices will crater, and by the time you get to the suburbs starter homes are from the $200s and $525K is a mansion. For the entirety of the midwest and most parts of the south.

Even on the coasts $525K for a 2 bed condo is a Big City thing. E.g., $500-$700K is the going rate for 2 bed condos in most of Boston, but drive an hour away from Boston in any direction? Not so much. Hell, even Wakefield has a 2 bed condo below $300K and that's only a 25 minute drive. And that's one of the more expensive housing markets in the US.

Living 20 minutes from major city centers via public transit has become a luxury, sure. But it's just not accurate to say that $525K for a 2 bed condo is "normal" in the US. It's not. It's quite specific to a very high CoL markets.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by dominotw on Monday March 08, 2021 @10:58AM (#26387051)
Ah yea i see what you mean. that might be an exception to suburbs of altanta. It was just an example of insanity of housing market in USA. I was not implying that the going price of condo.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by ok_coo on Monday March 08, 2021 @01:33PM (#26389586)
Our old apartment in Chicago, which was in a nice neighborhood had its rent prices drop by at least $500/month. It might be more now.

When I look at real estate in general in Chicago, it's been dropping a little, not a ton, but it's not like how other are describing the huge increase in housing costs in other parts of the country.

It seems like there are big regional differences going on with housing costs in the US. Supply/demand and policy I'm guessing are making the difference.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by blaser-waffle on Monday March 08, 2021 @09:12AM (#26385922)
Popping the bubble will be worse than the inflation.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by scottLobster on Monday March 08, 2021 @11:21AM (#26387384)
How and for whom?

This attitude that the market must always go up has never worked out historically, just makes the eventual reckoning that much worse.

Fortunately that mentality means that renters like my wife and I who want our future kids to grow up in a good house in a quality school district can just keep saving money, waiting to capitalize on the inevitable normalization when all the speculators and eggs-in-one-basket people fail to learn from history... again.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by bryanlarsen on Monday March 08, 2021 @09:33AM (#26386158)
For rich people.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by AlexandrB on Monday March 08, 2021 @10:03AM (#26386473)
Also for people that put their life savings as downpayment on an overpriced house.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by ChuckNorris89 on Monday March 08, 2021 @10:36AM (#26386802)
But at least the bubble popping would make it easier for the middle class newcommers enter the market.

Just inflating the bubble further, as every European bank and government is doing, to make existing property owners richer on paper and get their votes, is not a viable long term solution.

IMHO, it can't pop sooner. Houses should be for living, not for speculation and hoarding wealth. The younger generations have been screwed enough by the old established wealth hoarders.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by oceanplexian on Monday March 08, 2021 @07:02PM (#26393397)
I was around during 2008, that's exactly the opposite of what will happen. Financing will dry up and the newcomers will find themselves in a highly competitive rental environment with inflated prices, while the banks and wealthy snap up SFH's for pennies on the dollar.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by jbay808 on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:35PM (#26391938)
Maybe the government can raise rates and offer some kind of refund to people who bought their first house in the last year?

Otherwise, the number of people in that "put their life savings as a downpayment on an overpriced house" category is only going to grow, making the problem worse when the collapse eventually happens.

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by harambae on Wednesday March 10, 2021 @12:04PM (#26413450)
>offer some kind of refund to people who bought their first house in the last year

I think we run into real problems in America trying to protect people from the consequences of their own bad decision making. In addition to being deeply patronising, it eliminates so many of the normal incentives to be responsible and pushes up risk appetite across the board.

If individuals make poor investments (whether on a house or gamestop otm call options) they'll learn their lesson and move on. There's enough of a safety net in America to ensure no one truly goes hungry from bad luck (and before you point to homelessness- that's a complicated issue intertwined with drug addiction, mental illness and in some cases a free lifestyle choice)

Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by jbay808 on Friday March 12, 2021 @03:11PM (#26440332)
I agree, but at the moment, it seems that same desire to protect them results in preferring a policy that drives prices ever upward. This would be a less destructive compromise.
Re:Food Prices Are Soaring Faster Than Inflation and Incomes by oceanplexian on Monday March 08, 2021 @06:47PM (#26393266)
It will also cut cheap corporate debt off at the knees, and likely begin a domino effect where people are laid off, home prices are depressed, and inflation continues in spite of all that as a result of supply shock.