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Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by oezi on Monday March 08, 2021 @01:48AM (#26382893)
This is really sad. I have given up on Google over the last years. Them taking away Inbox hurt most, but I am still most furious for them disabling the link between Photos and Drive (you can no longer easily get your Google Photos to sync to a desktop). What remains? Gmail and a bit of search, where DDG is encroaching.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by arcturus17 on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:50AM (#26383214)
> What remains? Gmail and a bit of search, where DDG is encroaching.

Global market shares as of Feb. 2021 [1]:

* Google 92%

* Bing 2.69%

* Baidu 1.33%

* DuckDuckGo 0.64%

Alphabet made $182 billion last year, with a profit of $34 billion, making it the fifth most profitable private business in the world [2]. Much of that is off the back of search and AdWords.

[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Inc.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by skinkestek on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:25AM (#26383382)
Your numbers might be correct, but here is another statistic that os extremely relevant and extremely promising: https://duckduckgo.com/traffic

Summary: duckduckgo traffic seems to be increasing approximately exponentially for a while and as far as I can see the trend still continues.

This is extremely interesting, here are three thoughts:

- their are already profitable and have been for a long time already. This is probably very good money (operating costs probably scales slower than revenue)

- it means more search data for DuckDuckGo which will allow them to improve their engine

- it improves their position when they deal with partners (like Bing)

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by cft on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:58AM (#26383253)
Bing is actually much better than DDG (for recent near real time results) and now it's in many cases better than Google (less SEO spam, probably due to its size). It is also more politically neutral than Google in its results - I started out using Bing for anything politics related, but now switched for many technical and financial searches too.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by addicted on Monday March 08, 2021 @07:29AM (#26384962)
Bing will almost by definition be “better” than DDG because DDG explicitly does not collect as much personalized information about you. Bing searches should be more relevant than DDG searches.

The whole point of DDG is that I do not want a hyper personalized search experience, which may lead to worse top results, but probably not stop me from finding what I want within the first page of results, which for me is a more than great trade off for protecting my privacy.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by ahepp on Monday March 08, 2021 @06:47PM (#26393260)
Personally, I've given up on results quality. It ranges from bad (Google) to worse (Bing) to barely usable (DDG).

Even if it's barely usable, I'm tired of the constant tracking and ads. Anyways, Google is already so full of SEO spam that I usually have to type in "[search term] [relevant web site]", and even DDG can handle that.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by oezi on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:57AM (#26383251)
My complaints were just for my personal exposure to Google.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by post_below on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:17AM (#26383037)
I agree that Google is slipping... but DDG is essentially just a Bing syndicator, which means their result quality will compete at the rate of Bing. Hard to see a threat there.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by skinkestek on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:34AM (#26383446)
Bing is now starting to be scary good in some regards.

One of my clients have integrated their intranet solution with Microsoft and if I search on Bing while logged in I get relevant results from both the Internet and the company network!

Two observations:

- I'd not accept if Google did this (like many others I was a fanboy, and like someone said: Google have worked hard tp make me dislike them - and they have now succeeded. Between years of insultingly mismatched ads, search quality dropping 10 years ago and staying lower than before and the whole witch hunt affair a few months ago I now do dislike them.)

- Google had this, or at least search on my machine and on internet working with Google Desktop Search already back in 2006! (Of course they killed GDS after I think they'd ruined the market for everyone else by pushing the best solution for free for a couple of years.)

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by ZiiS on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:34AM (#26383128)
DDG do far more work then just syndicating Bing. The have their own crawl, combine many sources, and are much stronger at down weighting low vaulue content. For many they also have an up hill battle against Google as personalising search results to your interests is a double edged sword.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by rjzzleep on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:43AM (#26383182)
Unfortunately DDG is really only useful for english search results. I tried running it as my default search engine, but in most places it's more or less useless.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by Semaphor on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:04AM (#26383281)
Great for non-english results for me, I simply search with !ddgde which flips the "Germany"-switch to on.

You and others keep saying this, but you really need to mention which non-English languages you are talking about as at least some of them are pretty good.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by lawl on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:23AM (#26383369)
Ok, but google just works for me if i type english or german queries. DDG doesn't.

I've been using ddg as a default engine and wasn't aware of this. (also !ddgde is a lot more to type than !g)

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by Semaphor on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:57AM (#26383957)
They show a switch for me even when I search in English.

With google, I sometimes wish I had an easy switch like that when the terms are also available in English as currently this makes their results useless.

!ddgde is indeed a bit long, but as most of my searches are not local, I can live with it ;)

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by oezi on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:48AM (#26383509)
Completely opposite experience: German Google brings up so much irrelevant things when searching in English.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by rjzzleep on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:31AM (#26383421)
Chinese? Japanese? Probably a huge amount of LTR languages?

It's not "You and others keep saying this... provide some examples".

It's that you have a tiny scope of what you consider to be the world.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by Semaphor on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:55AM (#26383940)
> It's that you have a tiny scope of what you consider to be the world.

No, that’s something you put into my mouth.

This is why I was asking. Unlike others, I explained which language works great. "Doesn’t work" is useless without saying what it doesn’t work for. "Does/Doesn’t work for language X" is actually relevant information.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by kergonath on Monday March 08, 2021 @10:56AM (#26387028)
From my experience, it’s not great with queries in French, but it is not terrible either. I tend to use g! much more in French than English.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by jamiek88 on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:40AM (#26383168)
Plus !bangs they kept it useful for me before I got used to their search. I rarely !g nowadays and being able to quickly dip in and out of sites for specific things is great. Like a super ‘I’m feeling lucky’ with parameters.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by mda on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:42AM (#26383833)
Non trivial queries are answered from Bing index. So it is not really "much more than" it.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by passtheglass on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:20AM (#26383675)
Well Google is only good if you're looking for paid reviews/blog posts and populist articles from very popular media outlets. I should hope people would realise how far their search quality has decreased in the past 2-3 years (for text search)
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by perryizgr8 on Monday March 08, 2021 @05:38AM (#26384259)
Bing is pretty good though. The results are different from Google's but not necessarily worse or better.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by Svip on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:22AM (#26383060)
At this point, Google Maps is the only Google service I use with some frequency. I always use OpenStreetMap first, but if I need satellite imagery or street view, I fall over to Google Maps. All their other services are replaceable (with reasonable replacements), as far as I am aware.

Edit: I suppose YouTube technically counts as a Google service, which I also use with high frequency.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by alert0 on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:38AM (#26383151)
I recently switched to an iPhone and am an Apple Maps purist now. A man can only be told to turn left at the Carl's Jr so many times before he snaps.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by franklampard on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:56AM (#26383239)
Google Maps cannot understand which redirection I am facing when the navigation just starts while Apple Maps does it beautifully.

That’s honestly the most important portion of trip. I don’t need to be navigated once I am driving on the highway.

Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by swaranga on Monday March 08, 2021 @11:39AM (#26387713)
Seriously? I bought in-car navigation for my car instead of opting for CarPlay/AndroidAuto for this exact reason. When I start a trip, my phone (always used Google Maps) can never figure out which way I am facing and will keep rotating around and recalculating directions until I gather some speed on the road. With my in-car navigation, the compass works flawlessly even in parking garages and basements. I though the holy grail would be a UX where Google Maps would use its maps, traffic and navigation data while using the car's GPS.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by franklampard on Monday March 08, 2021 @06:48PM (#26393280)
Try Apple Maps if you have an iPhone, you’ll be surprised.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by foobar33333 on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:43AM (#26383837)
The best part about Apple Maps is it gives you directions before its too late. Google Maps would tell me to cross 4 lanes to turn within the next 20m.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by mandrizzle on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @04:04AM (#26396821)
The voice is also much more natural sounding than Google Maps
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by Dyac on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:30AM (#26383415)
FYI Michael Leggett, design lead for Gmail and Inbox back in the day has released a chrome extension to bring many of inbox's features back. https://simpl.fyi/ - many people also pair it with https://www.inboxymail.com/ to get bundling too, but long term Michael says he's going to add bundles to Simplify.
Re:The new Google Pay repeats all the same mistakes of Googl... by jmathai on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:06AM (#26383287)
I really miss the GPhotos / GDrive connection.

FWIW - I wrote this plugin[1] to recreate my workflow[2].

[1] https://github.com/jmathai/elodie/tree/master/elodie/plugins...

[2] https://medium.com/swlh/my-automated-photo-workflow-using-go...