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Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by ArmandGrillet on Saturday March 06, 2021 @11:06AM (#26368309)
Apple clearly detailed their strategy back in early 2017: https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/transcript-phil-schiller-c...

"As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a pro display as well. Now you won’t see any of those products this year; we’re in the process of that. We think it’s really important to create something great for our pro customers who want a Mac Pro modular system, and that’ll take longer than this year to do."

The Mac Pro and XDR display were machines that took a long time to build thus the iMac Pro (announced 6 months after that article) was created to fill the gap for two years. I don't think the iMac Pro was ever supposed to replace the Mac Pro, but only a biography of Schiller might clarify what really happened.

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by tonyedgecombe on Saturday March 06, 2021 @11:23AM (#26368424)
announced 6 months after that article

It must have been in development for much longer than that.

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by unicornfinder on Saturday March 06, 2021 @11:56AM (#26368695)
To be fair I suspect Apple was aware of the problem long before they made the announcement to that effect.

I remember at the time people were saying how un-Apple-like it was to admit that there was an issue at all. I think it was because at that point they figured the iMac Pro was still six months out and they felt they had to at least do *something* to show them that they still cared about pro users, though in truth I think in hindsight it's become evident that it isn't really a market segment that they're particularly interested in.

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by mikepurvis on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:05PM (#26368764)
> I think in hindsight it's become evident that it isn't really a market segment that they're particularly interested in.

Really? The volume may not be there, but I think Apple has always cherished the prestige associated with being the platform of choice for studio mixing rooms, cinema production, etc. People argued that that's why those ridiculous $20k+ configurations of the Mac Pro even exist— as something for auteurs to demand as a status signal.

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by smoldesu on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:18PM (#26368868)
While I agree, Apple's interest in satisfying those "pro" audiences is waning, as is the interest in the pros to continue using their products. Apple has realized that it's much easier to market themselves where talent and personality intersect; aka, "the pro-sumer". For every Mac Pro they sell, they sell another thousand iPhones and a hundred Macbooks. Long-term, it makes much more sense for them to optimize around these audiences.

With that being said, I've noticed a startling increase in Linux use among pro workflows. The other day I visited a mixing studio that was entirely driven by Arch and Reaper if you could believe it, a really neat setup to say the least.

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by theonemind on Saturday March 06, 2021 @01:34PM (#26369437)
Actually, I'd characterize that as short term thinking. Your platform needs developers, and the power users and such eventually lead the rest of the market.

If they think they've got a castle in the sky, they'll find out why it's there if they start burning the pillars as firewood.

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by jbverschoor on Saturday March 06, 2021 @02:29PM (#26369827)
Don’t forget that store became big again when they used bsd on OS X. It was a perfect dev machine
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by habitue on Saturday March 06, 2021 @01:50PM (#26369547)
The pro-sumer play sort of relies on them plausibly having a reputation for creating things for actual professionals. Over time, as that residual reputation burns off, seems like it may become less effective.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by Kye on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:57PM (#26369173)
Are you able to name the studio? Now I'm curious about what they're up to since it's exactly the kind of Frankenstein setup that appeals to me. Bitwig is an odd backup to Reaper considering it's a completely different target workflow. It's aiming at Live and made by ex-Ableton devs. Reaper is more like Pro Tools or Cubase.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by mikepurvis on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:29PM (#26368948)
What is the frontend in a setup like that? Is it Pro Tools on Wine, or something else?
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by smoldesu on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:36PM (#26369012)
To my understanding, they mapped all of the CC bindings from their digital mixer into Reaper and then routed the audio through JACK. They had a double monitor setup that seemed to be running a pretty standard Reaper setup (with Bitwig as an optional backup), as well as a smaller integrated monitor in the dashboard of the mixing console (which must have been running a custom UI). They were hooked up to a pretty sizable NAS, and they made a pretty large emphasis on separating project files from the OS. It seemed like the secret to their workflow was weekly backups of the OS partition with redundancy for the mission-critical components. Their round-trip latency was also pretty impressive, with less than 10ms for software sources and 30ms for hardware sources. All of it was running on an older Threadripper workstation.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by Blueskytech on Saturday March 06, 2021 @04:20PM (#26370614)
Just FYI 30ms from hardware sources is terrible, I can achieve under 2.5ms round trip with Dante at 128 buffer settings and the older MADI protocol achieves similar levels.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by lukeh on Saturday March 06, 2021 @06:25PM (#26371485)
Right, and under 1ms with HDX.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by washadjeffmad on Saturday March 06, 2021 @04:56PM (#26370893)
What am I missing? Those numbers are an order of magnitude higher than I got with a similar Linux studio setup in 2008. We get 30-40ms latency over IP within about 100 miles.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by arvinsim on Saturday March 06, 2021 @09:54PM (#26372716)
Ironically, their move to their own ARM chips probably killed a lot of music production workflows. Given how slow the music software industry moves, I bet most will stay with their Intel Macs or move to a PC.

Edit: Clarity

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by empthought on Saturday March 06, 2021 @11:45PM (#26373215)
Or move to Logic...
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by headmelted on Saturday March 06, 2021 @03:39PM (#26370344)
Oh they’re very interested.

Serving the professional creative market is the core of their marketing.

Are they selling a majority of MacBook Pro’s to film studios? Of course not, but they need that prestige to compel Greg the aspiring film student to buy one so he can feel like he has “arrived”.

Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by lupire on Saturday March 06, 2021 @05:18PM (#26371039)
MacBook Pro is dirt cheap compared to the desktop Pro; it's not what were discussing here.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday March 07, 2021 @05:04AM (#26374641)
I often wonder what the sales have been like for the new Mac Pro. I have a suspicion that it will be the next for the chopping block.
Re:Apple Confirms iMac Pro Will Be Discontinued, Recommends ... by baybal2 on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:38PM (#26369024)
I think it just boils down to future ARM Macs having tiny TDP, and being full SoC based.

Makes no sense to have a 20*50*50 box if the only part inside it is a tiny 8*8 PCB.