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Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by duxup on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:03PM (#26278450)
Middle East nations have at least since the Obama era largely been left to their own devices (more than in the past), and operate happily that way. They're not looking to the US or anyone for approval.
Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by hourislate on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:09PM (#26278545)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/peace-p...

Almost six years later, Mr Obama has approved military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and now Syria.

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ) estimates the Obama administration has launched more than 390 drone strikes in five years across Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia – eight times as many approved during the entire Bush Presidency.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by duxup on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:11PM (#26278573)
That doesn't seem to relate to what I said.

Obama making decisions on his own doesn't have anything to do with middle east nation's interest in US approval for their own actions.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by hn8788 on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:21PM (#26278696)
Killing people in other countries because their government isn't doing enough to fight extremism doesn't sound like they've been "left to their own devices".
Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by duxup on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:24PM (#26278738)
"left to their own devices" doesn't mean that the US (or anyone else) would be uninvolved in things.

I'm addressing what those middle east nations choose to do and who they consult with, get 'approval' from / etc.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by Grustaf on Friday February 26, 2021 @05:26PM (#26280599)
> "left to their own devices" doesn't mean that the US (or anyone else) would be uninvolved in things.

What? That's exactly what it means.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by Shivetya on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:21PM (#26278691)
and less than a hundred days into his Presidency Biden is bombing the Middle East; a guy who claimed he would use military power responsibly and his supporters mocked Trump supporters that claimed otherwise.

The simple fact is we have very little justification to criticize the actions of other nations when we cannot even go an Administration without attacking another nation.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by Chris2048 on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:41PM (#26278948)
1) what makes the bombing a non-responsible use of military power?

2) Why is the US not allowed to "attack[] another nation"? esp given it was a response to attacks on American/coalition personnel?

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by the_reformation on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:13PM (#26278593)
The series of Arabic states opening diplomatic relations with Israel was definitely American-led.
Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by Animats on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:28PM (#26278786)
Not clear. Israel getting along with the small rich Arab states probably reflects a shared interest in making money.
Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by duxup on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:33PM (#26278861)
There's a lot of indications of many of what seem like one off actions taken by Israel that might have had cooperation from other Arab states that have an interest in a group or etc.

Israel's usually pretty opaque military and other actions allow for a lot of unexpected partnerships.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by flyinglizard on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:42PM (#26278977)
Money is not the main issue. Iran is, and the Gulf states made the leap when they could maximize their ROI, just before the US elections.

The Abraham accords are the legacy of the Trump admin and I think it’s a very good one.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by duxup on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:18PM (#26278650)
Any influence /= as much influence as before / countries looking to the US when they take their own actions.

As alliances shift in the middle east it's not surprising that Israel would be involved. Relations / tensions are pretty wild in the Middle East. I think 'unlikely' alliances are almost inevitable, and maybe not as unlikely as we think. There area lot of strangely conflicting incentives out there.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by zikzak on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:26PM (#26278757)
Surely, some of it was also political theatre to give the US administration a win in the region (Mission Accomplished, all over again) in exchange for the sale of advanced weapons systems. Just my two cents.
Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by duxup on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:29PM (#26278805)
Maybe but despite the fact that they might celebrate it... I really doubt the value of "hey someone opened up diplomatic relations with Israel" is all that valuable to a given US politician... same goes with the state that chose to do so.

I think whatever horse trading happened behind the scenes was likely more valuable than PR.

Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by zikzak on Sunday February 28, 2021 @12:38PM (#26295129)
I don't disagree on the reality, I am just saying that in my personal reading of various subreddits, forums, etc. I have seen countless posts and pundits saying what a great Job Trump and Kushner did on these agreements. It was clearly being used to show off their accomplishments in the region, real or not.
Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by wavefunction on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:27PM (#26278771)
Two countries is a series? Can't really count Morocco or Sudan as 'Arabic states' unless you're really stretching that definition and it seems you are.
Re:US says Saudi prince approved Khashoggi killing by Grustaf on Friday February 26, 2021 @05:27PM (#26280607)
It's easy to get Morocco to accept Israel when you sacrifice Western Sahara.