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Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by istjohn on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:34AM (#26077916)
Actually, Yelp doesn't remove legitimate reviews.

Edit: I speak from personal experience as a small business owner, described in more detail below.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by nix0n on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:43AM (#26078028)
> Actually, Yelp doesn't remove legitimate reviews.

They say that, but they decide which reviews are legitimate, and they're more likely to decide that positive reviews are legitimate, if a business is paying them.

On the other hand, my experience pre-pandemic was that Yelp had the only reliable database of local USA businesses' hours of operation (there is probably now no way to know other than phone calls).

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by londons_explore on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:51AM (#26078114)
Google rings small businesses up every week asking what their hours of operation are...

In fact, I know a business who complained he got more calls from Google trying to update their maps database than he got from real customers!

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by oli-g on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @10:55AM (#26078941)
> Google rings small businesses up every week asking what their hours of operation are...

So THAT'S what all the humans at Google are up to, while their bots are busy locking legitimate user and developer accounts!

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by tveita on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @12:40PM (#26080349)
Sounds like exactly what they trained Duplex for, so I doubt that would be a human calling.

https://ai.googleblog.com/2018/05/duplex-ai-system-for-natur...

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by softawre on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @02:56PM (#26081760)
Wow that is incredible.
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by sandworm101 on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @12:29PM (#26080211)
>>So THAT'S what all the humans at Google are up to

How cute. You think that these are humans calling from google. No biological human has represented google by phone since the 90s. It is all androids and chatbots.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by ficklepickle on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @02:39PM (#26081618)
That's nice they call. I'm aware of a variety of business listings they helpfully automatically update to be wrong. The only way to know is to check back often.
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by koheripbal on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @11:51AM (#26079669)
Google emails that - they don't call.
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by istjohn on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @10:07AM (#26078292)
> They say that, but they decide which reviews are legitimate, and they're more likely to decide that positive reviews are legitimate, if a business is paying them.

Do you have any evidence of that?

I have several unsolicited 5-star reviews for my business that have been flagged as "not currently recommended." Yet despite fighting off their sales reps for years my business is the best rated business in my city in my category.

Based on my experience, the Yelp hate is just sour grapes from businesses that are reluctant to bend over backwards to make every customer happy.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by dexterdog on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @11:11AM (#26079171)
> sour grapes from businesses that are reluctant to bend over backwards to make every customer happy.

Not too many business that do that stay in business for long. "The customer is always right" if not taken with many grains of salt will bury you when you get just the right customer (who will directly reference the mantra).

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by istjohn on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @01:57PM (#26081231)
It's certainly a challenging way to run a business. I don't recommend anyone blindly pursue that strategy.

One key to making it work is to invest in long term relationships with your clients. A transaction with a client you have an established relationship with is much less risky than a transaction with a stranger.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by totalZero on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @12:35PM (#26080293)
This has been discussed previously on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1149078

Not sure if the policies have changed since then, but I am inclined to believe him.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by dilyevsky on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @12:56PM (#26080525)
Just bc this one person didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. They’ve definitely taken my negative reviews down or made them invisible so I stopped using them
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by totalZero on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @05:23PM (#26083213)
Just because they took your reviews down doesn't mean they did so corruptly rather than according to algorithm/policy.
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by dilyevsky on Sunday February 14, 2021 @05:34PM (#26136929)
Right the algorithm ofc takes “fairness” and “user experience” as its training inputs no doubt
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by gamblor956 on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @12:16PM (#26080027)
It's bizarre that the one person with actual experience in this thread is being downvoted...

But I second this. Yelp won't remove legitimate reviews, even for paying businesses. You can pay for priority in search listings and to show up in the Similar and Nearby sections, but that won't help you get negative reviews removed.

As I speak, there are 2.5 star restaurants being promoted in every search I do for nearby restaurants. If Yelp removed the negative reviews as people claimed, they wouldn't be at 2.5 stars right now.

(It's true that some individual sales reps claim Yelp will do this if you pay them, but those are individual sales reps trying to hit a sales or bonus goal.)

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by aSockPuppeteer on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @02:28PM (#26081520)
Yelp removes any post legitimate or not if you have zero “friends” on Yelp and if you have no profile picture iirc.

On the business side all I’ve heard from Yelp Business was that they will let more bad reviews slide thus lowering your rating if you do not pay for their protection racket. Also, paying them gives good reviews that would otherwise be rejected now allowed as acceptable.

Maybe those businesses were not paying for the “premium” service tier that includes Yelp sending a photographer to your business to then create a video for you with an annual plan.

I have managed restaurants and talked to several Yelp reps. It’s difficult to trust online reviews.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by gamblor956 on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @07:48PM (#26084545)
Yelp removes any post legitimate or not if you have zero “friends” on Yelp and if you have no profile picture iirc.

That's definitely wrong, as my Yelp profile has zero friends and no profile picture, and all of my reviews are still up, when viewing the businesses logged out, across multiple devices using different IP addresses.

I have managed restaurants and talked to several Yelp reps.

I have spoken to restaurants on behalf of the Chamber of Commerce investigating this issue, and found no evidence that these claims are true.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by mywittyname on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @03:16PM (#26081946)
>Yelp won't remove legitimate reviews,

I've had my legitimate Yelp reviews shadow-removed (I could see the review on the computer it was made on, but not others). So they absolutely did at one point remove/hide reviews.

-person with actual experience

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by mancerayder on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @01:39PM (#26081031)
.. and people are saying that Glassdoor reviews can easily be taken down, without evidence.

It might be true, but a claim that undermines the entire business.. warrants at least a link or an anecdote.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by polote on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:39AM (#26077981)
In theory the same can be said of glassdoor. In reality it is different
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by istjohn on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:56AM (#26078169)
In reality, Yelp doesn't play games with reviews. I became the top-rated business in my city for my niche while turning down their sales people over and over. I successfully got one review removed in that time because it was clearly a spam account based on their review history. I have several legitimate 5-star reviews from actual happy customers on my business profile that "are not currently recommended" due to Yelp's aggressive anti-cheat software. There are plenty of unhappy business owners who would have people believe their poor Yelp ratings are because the game is rigged, and I'm sure Yelp makes plenty of mistakes, but it is not pay-to-win.
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by Retric on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @12:03PM (#26079832)
That’s not a counter argument. I was once the top rated player on a pay to win game server without having paid anything. The issue with pay to win in games and online reviews is the distortion not the impossibility of success.

Yelp etc needs the average review to be somewhat useful so people actually trusts the Star ratings. However, they can still accomplish that while distorting a significant number of reviews.

Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by istjohn on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @02:17PM (#26081417)
This thread is full of people with no first-hand experience repeating rumors and suspicions. No, I cannot prove a negative, but I don't think speculation is compelling evidence either.
Re:Man to pay £25,000 ($34,000) damages over negative TrustP... by Retric on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @03:54PM (#26082266)
Yelp has successfully defended it’s self from several such lawsuits, on the other hand it’s also been sued several times over this. So, it’s a little past just internet rumors.

The simple fact Yelp lets companies pay to highlight a favorable review is IMO enough to destroy their credibility. Worse they directed customers through GrubHub for an unearned commission which is as far as I can tell simple fraud. But, that’s not what people are alleging here.