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Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by Guthur on Sunday February 07, 2021 @08:18PM (#26059782)
I'd strongly second resistance training, it doesn't really take that much time either.

A simple program like Starting Strength will have you train for not much more than 60 minutes three days a week and you'll make significant strength gains up to 1.5x body weight easily.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by Kluny on Sunday February 07, 2021 @09:12PM (#26060081)
For women reading this - beware, it's not that easy. I've followed Starting Strength a couple of times and I plateau at 1.3x my weight in deadlift and .75x my weight in squats. Sticking to the program doesn't get me past it. I have to shake it up a lot with more reps, smaller weight intervals, and nearly doubling my food intake.

It was a great way to get started though, and I'm really happy about the changes my body went through in six months or so. After that, you have to find a different program or a trainer.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by throw0101a on Monday February 08, 2021 @07:49AM (#26063760)
For women, the Strong Curves is a popular program/book:

* https://www.bretcontreras.store/products/strong-curves

* https://old.reddit.com/r/StrongCurves/

I still think that SS is a good starter for the first 3-6 months, but once you can no longer jump by 2-5 pounds (1-2 kg) per workout, you've basically used up your beginner gains. (True also for men.)

SS isn't meant to be a long-term program, but mostly (a) getting people to actually do strength training with (b) proper form and (c) concentrating on the Big 5 movements that probably give the best bang-for-buck/time.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by Guthur on Sunday February 07, 2021 @09:47PM (#26060233)
My apologies, my experience is from a male point of view on this, limits of my biology.

There is a starting strength lift standards which shows more what to expect from a female perspective and is indeed a lot smaller relative to body weight.

Starting strength is definitely a beginner program but it's simplicity is an excellent place to start.

After the SS program I've gone to the Texas Method and enjoyed great success, ymmv.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by valenterry on Sunday February 07, 2021 @09:48PM (#26060237)
Speaking in effective time, it is obviously more than 60 minutes, I would say rather 160 minutes in the beginning and then getter lower with experience and getting used to it.

Resistance training is great, but let's not oversell it to others! A beginner not only needs to buy stuff (or commute to/from the gym) and create their plan and schedule it, they also need to account for spending extra time to correct their posture, have a longer recovery time, shower etc.

Thinking to get away with 60min from the get go might be discouraging.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by austhrow743 on Sunday February 07, 2021 @10:30PM (#26060465)
Nope 60 minutes as a beginner sounds about right with correcting posture and whatnot. Once I was familiar with it that dropped right down. Starting Strength is a very minimal program.

Obviously no one is going to account for commute in how long a program takes. Some take hours to get to the nearest gym and others have home gyms.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by valenterry on Monday February 08, 2021 @02:14AM (#26061648)
Okay, maybe I did something terribly wrong as a beginner, but how did you make sure that your posture is good?

I used to do the exercise with little a no weight, record myself and double check for a longer time, until I found that I got used to the right movements.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by Guthur on Monday February 08, 2021 @03:00AM (#26061898)
At the beginning you should be on a relatively light on the weight anyway and as you progress you should be building locking in that form naturally.

Sometimes you'll need to deload to correct form and you'll likely be starting to look at different programs soon enough.

For one reason or another I've had to deload, usually missing training for a prolonged period of time. I'm at my longest sustained training period in awhile now and about to attempt a new 5rm squat tonight, I'm a little intimidated:). It soon becomes more about the psychology imo.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by austhrow743 on Monday February 08, 2021 @02:58AM (#26061884)
Video occasionally but once I knew what good posture felt like then I could feel when I was leaving it.

I always found good lifting form to be a will power thing more than a skill thing. Easy to maintain when the bar was empty, very hard to maintain on the last couple reps of my heaviest sets. Did form check videos occasionally to keep myself honest but really, I knew when I had bad form.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by porb121 on Monday February 08, 2021 @04:09AM (#26062279)
posture (a) doesn't particularly matter to begin with, and (b) is already massively improved by basic compound movements.

like, it's hard to imagine what you would do for a better posture other than highbar squats, deadlifts, rows, etc

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by Lopiolis on Sunday February 07, 2021 @09:53PM (#26060266)
> Speaking in effective time, it is obviously more than 60 minutes, I would say rather 160 minutes in the beginning and then getter lower with experience and getting used to it.

I seriously disagree with this. 60 minutes is more than sufficient if you aren't screwing around. I also think it's baffling that people are still recommending Starting Strength when there are far more efficient and productive programs to start off with.

Especially as a beginner, you can get a significant training stimulus without having to waste 2-3 hours of your day. How absurd. Think 80/20. I even think spending that much time would be more detrimental than beneficial in the beginning.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by blodkorv on Monday February 08, 2021 @03:53AM (#26062175)
Could you name some of the more effective and productive programs?
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by Guthur on Sunday February 07, 2021 @11:59PM (#26060959)
I've never spent that long in the gym on starting strength.

For beginners i doubt there is much variation in progress from one program to the other, and remember SS is for beginners.

The benefit of SS is its simplicity, 4 basic lifts with simple programming. Beginners benefit from such simplicity.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by karateka on Monday February 08, 2021 @12:32AM (#26061135)
Would you care to share any recommendations for alternative programs?
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by porb121 on Monday February 08, 2021 @03:56AM (#26062188)
if you need almost 3 hours to do a beginner strength program, something is amiss, or you are resting for 10+ minutes between sets.

what do you need to buy? what posture correction are you doing? how is showering a meaningful amount of time when most people already shower daily?

you're inventing problems that don't exist.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by happyweasel on Monday February 08, 2021 @02:36AM (#26061767)
yeah.. 60-90 min workout, but probably a minimum 30-40min recovery time to feel okay afterwards, plus extended sleep! You really tend to sleep longer.. You want that 8 hour sleep, if you are actually working with weights about 3-4 times a week. Compare that with 30-40mins of medium-to-intensive cardio.. Massive cortisol peaks after intense workout sessions, etc etc..
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by porb121 on Monday February 08, 2021 @03:54AM (#26062178)
if you need 40 minutes to acutely recover from anything but the most advanced powerlifting/bodybuilding training, then something is deeply wrong.
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by Guthur on Monday February 08, 2021 @04:57AM (#26062594)
Yeah, and most of the time I feel amazing after gym.

One definitely should aim to eat well and sleep enough, but that's generally true anyway.