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Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by ehsankia on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:13PM (#26016964)
There are plenty of "Average people" that entered near the top, and since not everyone can sell simultaneously, that means a ton of people are losing the life savings they dumped into this out of excitement as it crashed back down.

I think the point being made here is that the whole narrative of "average people beating wall street" is pretty naive and quite bullshit. All in on, maybe a few handful of people got 10x or even 100x their money, but most of the gains were most likely made by hedge funds and with the exception of one or two hedge funds who were squeezed, the majority of losses will probably be by average people.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by simias on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:23PM (#26017123)
Lurking the wsb threads now it's clear that none of these people have exit strategies, or even strategies at all.

Even if that fabled squeeze was to take place I'm sure many of them would still be left holding the bags because they wouldn't know when to sell. And again, at this point I'm really not sold on that squeeze theory at all, it seems very plausible that it ended last week and now we're just seeing a good old pump-and-dump taking place.

In the end some people are going to be very lucky and some others are going to learn a very expensive lesson about the dangers of gambling.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by JakeTheAndroid on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:17PM (#26017034)
Well in fairness to WSB, it was really built around loss porn, not sticking it to the hedge funds. So even those people losing their life savings are contributing the to the WSB cause so long as they show off all the red.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by nprz on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:29PM (#26017214)
> that means a ton of people are losing the life savings they dumped into this out of excitement as it crashed back down

Can you provide a single case of someone losing their entire life savings by YOLOing it on GME at the top?

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by jcranmer on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:40PM (#26017361)
The Washington Post had an article yesterday about someone who was apparently $400k down on GME (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/02/02/gamesto...):

> The Reddit poster Volkswagens1, who declined to give his name but said he lives in the Pacific Northwest, showed The Washington Post an image indicating roughly $400,000 in potential GameStop losses from the day but insisted he would not sell.

> He said he’s poured most of his saving and checking accounts into the stocks and spent the last week “doing as much research as possible,” including sacrificing sleep and calling in sick to work, to make sure he was staying on top of the market’s moves.

(There's also a quote about him doing this because he's been poor for too long, but my take is that if you have enough assets to face a $400k loss, you weren't poor before you entered that position, even if you may now be).

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by bch on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:28PM (#26018010)
> if you have enough assets to face a $400k loss, you weren't poor

It’s not clear to me this has sunk in w ‘Volkswagens1 nor the loss has really been faced. I’d bet the sober second thought will come after this article was published

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by ryanlol on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:07PM (#26021357)
Looking at this guys posts it seems like he’s down $400k from the peak, but remains above his initial investment.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by eulers_secret on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:08PM (#26017731)
$400K is 1/2 the average cost of a house in Seattle. I'd suggest there's an argument that if you can't own (no mortgage) a house in your area, you're still 'poor'.

Still not a great move to dump your entire worth into meme stocks.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by betterunix2 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:57PM (#26018361)
You cannot cite the average cost of a house while dismissing the idea of buying a house using a mortgage. Mortgages are a part of the housing market and are part of the reason prices are what they are. If there were no mortgages prices would be lower, and the market would be structured completely differently.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by afavour on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:43PM (#26017396)
I suspect the stories will emerge once the GME price truly tanks. No, I don't think it'll be millions of people, but reading the level of delusion in that sub I don't think it's going to be tens of people either.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by tumbleweeds on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:57PM (#26017601)
It doesn't even have to be big sums. Just someone who only had say $2,000 trying to make a quick play at the peak but ended up with less than $2,000 after all is settled. That'll turn some away from stocks for a good while.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by franl on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:57PM (#26017597)
Assuming this person is legit (which is a huge assumption given it’s a stranger on Twitter), they appear to have sunk 90% of their worth into AMC: https://twitter.com/23michaeljam/status/1356785696959209472?...
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by cryptnotic on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:27PM (#26017992)
> “I have $6k in $AMC that’s like 90% of my money.”

That could be a lot of money to him, but it is not a lot of money compared to what an average worker earns in a year. A probably-young guy losing $6k on a risky stock bet is not life-destroying.

Also, depending on when he bought he could actually be up. And even if he bought at the top, it would still be worth something like 40% of that.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by ssully on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:12PM (#26017789)
The thing that kills me is the handful of responses of people defending it by basically saying "people will go to the movies after covid", without the context of where AMC was at before covid. Even during it's best years, AMC wasn't worth what people think it will be. It's just a complete lack of reasoning.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by xapata on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:37PM (#26017316)
So strange that YOLO has come to mean the opposite of what one would do if worried about the fact one only lives once. But I guess that's true for much slang.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by toast0 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:07PM (#26017709)
YOLO has always meant, you only live once, gotta try everything. Not you only live once, make it last as long as possible and never do anything dangerous or with possible (probable even) negative repercussions.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by xapata on Thursday February 04, 2021 @03:22PM (#26029359)
Some choices are mutually exclusive. It seems common, but in my view (intentionally?) ironic, to use the term in those contexts.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by FractalParadigm on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:38PM (#26017333)
There is this example [0]. Maybe not their whole life savings, but still a sizeable chunk. I'm sure there are a LOT of other people in similar scenarios now, who may not have fared much better.

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/comments/lavx...

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by cryptnotic on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:37PM (#26018116)
> For context, I just turned 21 ... and am on track to graduate soon as a software engineer.

A 21-year-old soon-to-be software engineer losing $25k is not a life-changing tragedy.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by mywittyname on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:22PM (#26019962)
I definitely saw someone bragging about using their $20,000 line of credit from dental school (I assume this is intended for living expenses) to buy GME stock.

That's kind of worse than YOLOing your life savings, because if this prevents them from continuing their education, it just fucked their life.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by ethzero on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:20PM (#26017898)
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by SignalNotSecure on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:26PM (#26017174)
I think there is a name for people positioning themselves in the market on the advice of self-proclaimed "retards and autists"
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by Ekaros on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:31PM (#26017241)
Or absolutely anything hyped in headlines... It should be clear that once something is in mainstream press it is usually too late.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by notyourday on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:28PM (#26017206)
> There are plenty of "Average people" that entered near the top, and since not everyone can sell simultaneously, that means a ton of people are losing the life savings they dumped into this out of excitement as it crashed back down.

Most of "average people" entered at or near the top. The ones that did not were so engaged in gambling that they did not sell when it did 20x return. Call it what it is: fear of missing out.

Even DeepFuckingValue, who sold at least some of this position and netted a lot of money after taxes was not smart enough to say that 20x return in a few months is a time to pack the toys and go home so he could fight another day, leaving millions on a table in a futile hope that it would do much, much better.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by cperciva on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:37PM (#26017313)
I think DeepFuckingValue is smarter than you give him credit for. It's worth leaving $20M on the table if it lets you tell the SEC "look, I'm clearly an idiot, there's no way I could have been deliberately engineering a pump and dump scheme".

Better to take $15M of profit than to gamble $35M on the SEC deciding not to prosecute.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by vimy on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:17PM (#26017843)
The SEC doesn’t have a case. He’s been holding for 2 years and was laughed at many times by people on the wallstreetbets sub.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by cperciva on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:35PM (#26019464)
The SEC wouldn't be prosecuting him for holding GME. They would be prosecuting him for pumping up the stock price.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by vimy on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:57PM (#26019699)
My point is that the sub didn't take him and GME seriously until December or something. You can't be a laughing stock and a pump and dump mastermind at the same time.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by cperciva on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:42PM (#26020763)
I'm not so sure about that. Spending 2 years trying to pump the stock and failing doesn't change what happened later. You can't escape a murder charge by saying "I spent two years trying and failing to kill the victim"!
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by ac2u on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:08PM (#26017720)
If he did offload his entire position at the "top", and became seen as a symbolic catalyst of a subsequent drop, I reckon it's randomers on the internet that took a loss that he'd be more worried about.

Especially when the newspapers decided to plaster his real identity all over the place.

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by alasdair_ on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:21PM (#26017911)
It's completely possible that DFV has a second account that he doesn't share screenshots of, that bought puts on the stock near the peak just to hedge.
Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by fortran77 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:35PM (#26017296)
> , that means a ton of people are losing the life savings they dumped into this out of excitement as it crashed back down.

Let's hope that Congress doesn't try to bail these people out!

Re:AMC, GameStop Give Hedge Fund Mudrick Capital $200M in Gains by jb775 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:24PM (#26017134)
This explains what's actually happening right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMShFx5rThI&feature=youtu.be