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Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by sq_ on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:01PM (#26010470)
Is this likely to help lower the cost of SSDs in the ~1TB range? After watching the price of 1TB drop from the stratosphere to $100, I'd love to see them make it down towards $75...
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by jabbany on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @12:03AM (#26010765)
That drop came with a drop in performance too...

Most of the 80-100 $/TB disks use QLC which is painfully slow (slower than a spinning hard drive) when you outrun the SLC cache... Had to experience this during a drive migration with dd.

Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by tw04 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @12:51AM (#26010968)
*on sustained writes. They will absolutely trash a spinning drive on reads.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by dannyw on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:44AM (#26011806)
If you wanna resize a partition, or anything else that essentially rewrites the whole disk... have fun.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by tlamponi on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:49AM (#26012483)
I mean yes, but isn't that something quite rare?

At least I never feel the need to do it, the closet I came to something like that was when I switched from a 240 GiB SSD to a 1 TiB one and just mirrored the old disk to the new one with dd, increased the partition and run a resize2fs. While that required ~30 Minutes it was a once in a decade thing for me.

Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by baybal2 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:29AM (#26011727)
A QLC with 40+ TB will still be quite snappy without cache.

While cacheless TLC gets parity with MLC at around 8 TB.

So, yes QLC flash needs really big drives to get enough of aggregate write performance.

Below that, there is not much rationale to use it evlconomically vs TLC.

Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by jabbany on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:27PM (#26121395)
QLC is also much lower endurance, so at those sizes there's also the question of how much over-provisioning needs to happen to enable acceptable endurance, while still being cheap enough to out compete the alternatives.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by ksec on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:41AM (#26012444)
The cheapest 2TB drive on SATA III could be bought for $149. But that is not a normal pricing, it will probably take another two year for that to be a norm.

On the other hand 2.5" HDD has been stuck at the same capacity for 2-3 years.

Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by fpoling on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:23AM (#26013360)
And the capacity increase 3 years ago was from 4TB to 5TB and I bought my first 4TB disc IIRC 6 years ago.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by barbacoa on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:31PM (#26010629)
They have 1tb going for $85 on amazon. You probably check their prices 3 months ago because SSDs have been dropping about 15% per quarter.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by rootsudo on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:56PM (#26010734)
Wow 1TB SSD's are super cheap now..

That's so cool.