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Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by xeeeeeeeeeeenu on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:08AM (#25985741)
>Everyone from Ted Cruz to AOC to Aaron Rodgers sided with Main Street against Wall Street.

Apart from the media, of course. For example, Newsweek is calling GME investors "far-right extremists"[1] while The Washington Post is comparing the situation to the Capitol riots[2].

[1] - https://www.newsweek.com/far-right-extremists-use-gamestop-c...

[2] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/30/good-guys...

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday February 01, 2021 @01:04AM (#25986035)
One of the things I really appreciate about HN is its ability to get beyond "sound-bite arguments" to really get to a deeper understanding of what can be complicated arguments. Which is why I really disliked your comment, because your primary sentence includes two lies where you take some words out of context, but hey it must be true because you provided links.

1. Going to your own link, Newsweek did not call "GME investors "far-right extremists"". The article clearly states that far-right extremists were instead using the "stick-it-to-the-man" ethos driving a lot of the GME investor chatter to recruit. There is a huge difference.

2. As other's have pointed out, WaPo published an Op Ed, this was not something under their Editorial Board or a news article. Saying "The Washington Post is comparing the situation to the Capitol riots" is deliberately misleading.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by prepend on Monday February 01, 2021 @08:59AM (#25988711)
> 1. Going to your own link, Newsweek did not call "GME investors "far-right extremists"". The article clearly states that far-right extremists were instead using the "stick-it-to-the-man" ethos driving a lot of the GME investor chatter to recruit. There is a huge difference.

Yes, but no. It’s called throwing shade and while it is very different from actually showing evidence on a subject and making a claim, it is intended to link the ideas in the readers mind.

In middle school it would go like “I’m not saying hn_throwaway is a slut, but I did see her watching Harry Potter and also saw three other boys who say they like her at the theater that weekend.”

Both statements are true, but without some other fact they don’t matter so the only reason to mention them is to make a claim without evidence. Especially since I explicitly said I’m not calling you a slut.

The article linked does not act responsibly by mentioning these facts in the same article without some link. I think it’s mostly last journalism coupled with trying to click-bait get eyeballs for ads.

I too like HN for our attempted critical thinking, and I like that people keep busting through different theories and trying to get to the source of truth.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by tzs on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:42PM (#25990990)
> In middle school it would go like “I’m not saying hn_throwaway is a slut, but I did see her watching Harry Potter and also saw three other boys who say they like her at the theater that weekend.”

> Both statements are true, but without some other fact they don’t matter so the only reason to mention them is to make a claim without evidence. Especially since I explicitly said I’m not calling you a slut.

Except that's not even remotely like what the Newsweek article said. Sticking with the middle school comparison, what the article said is that hn_throwaway threw a large graduation party that was open to the public, and some religious cultists came to try to recruit from among the partygoers.

There is no attempt to imply that hn_throwaway is a one of the cultists, or approves of the cultists. It is just reporting that the cultists tried to use hn_throwaway's party to find recruits.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by prepend on Monday February 01, 2021 @01:19PM (#25991526)
Thanks for trying to map to analogy.

I think the newsworthy piece would be if the religious cultists were going to every party trying to recruit, or there was something special about hn_throwaway that the cultists targeted.

The school newspaper writes an article about the party. The article doesn’t answer this question or even indicate whether they tried. So there’s no real reason to report on this other than to link the cultists and hn_throwaway. Actually, the reason is that more students will read the article trying to learn about this cultist thing and hn_throwaway’s recent activity that made them popular among kids.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by clarifier123 on Monday February 01, 2021 @01:32AM (#25986187)
>1. Going to your own link, Newsweek did not call "GME investors "far-right extremists"". The article clearly states that far-right extremists were instead using the "stick-it-to-the-man" ethos driving a lot of the GME investor chatter to recruit. There is a huge difference.

The point of the article is to associate WSB with far-right extremists. It's a common manipulation tactic, they're making them seem guilty by association.

>As other's have pointed out, WaPo published an Op Ed, this was not something under their Editorial Board or a news article. Saying "The Washington Post is comparing the situation to the Capitol riots" is deliberately misleading.

People often say that "op-eds don't represent the official opinion of the paper", but it's provably false.

There's no shortage of people who are willing to write pro-Trump op-eds, after all, almost half of the country voted for him. How come they aren't getting published in NYT, WaPo etc.? Because publishing an op-ed is a soft endorsement. It doesn't necessarily mean that they 100% agree with it, but it definitely means that they consider the opinion "acceptable".

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by hintymad on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:24AM (#25985813)
The media’s behavior is why I became cynical about the system: moralize everything for no particular facts. You don’t like someone, label that person far-right. This is how transparency is lost. With transparency gone, so is trust.

And we stopped the trade for your own good. Yeah, right.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by ignoranceprior on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:19AM (#25985793)
Your summary of the Newsweek article is pretty misleading. They're not accusing r/WSB or GME investors as a whole of being far-right extremists (which would be false), they're referring to actual alt-righters talking about GME.
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by mixedCase on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:46AM (#25985917)
Correct, they're opting for a guilt by association approach, if you can even call it that. Nefarious "journalism" nonetheless.
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by Benjammer on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:24AM (#25985814)
Jimmy Kimmel said "and maybe even some Russian Disruptors," for no apparent reason in his opening monologue talking about the people buying $GME last week.
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by prepend on Monday February 01, 2021 @09:02AM (#25988733)
I think the problem is that anyone who likes money is now in on GME. Probably some Russian Disrupters too, but not sure why that would be joke worthy unless there’s some other detail (eg, disrupters are realizing 90% of gains or something).

Personally, I think this is a smokescreen for a pretty smart invested group. I hope we eventually learn who did it just to satisfy my curiosity. If they are dumb, we will. If they are successful, we never will as the technique is too useful to use again.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by flycaliguy on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:43AM (#25985896)
I think unfortunately the reason is apparent, filling out a monologue.
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by sn41 on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:22AM (#25985803)
Why "sticking to the man" resonates with me, and why I took pleasure in this incident is because students from the mid-2000s realize that hedge fund managers for the most part are not as smart as they think they are. Their bungling significantly set back the dreams of several students of my generation. I am not far right by any means, just was far gone and sad for 2010-2015.

I suspect that the truth is closer to "Wall Street" than we care to admit. Insider information is still the key, not stochastic differential equations, Ito's formula and portfolio balance theories. Melvin putting all their leveraged eggs in one basket is considered above board, and is not being questioned.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by smabie on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:35AM (#25985858)
Yeah I think a lot of hedge funds are run by idiots. Market making firms however, they are the true stars. There are also some really good hedge funds: RenTec, Millennium, 2 Sigma, etc.

A lot of hedge funds are dinosaurs and are slowly going extinct. Even in the last 5 years there has been a big shift: investors really prefer systematic firms and raising money for a discretionary fund gets harder and harder every day.

I do not believe insider information is key. If it was, hedge fund risk adjusted returns would probably be less abysmal. It's not that straightforward to evaluate hf performance, but trust me when I say, there a lot of funds out there providing very dubious value to investors.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by Tarq0n on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:25AM (#25985821)
If insider information really is key you should able to easily provide evidence for that claim. The market moving before news is announced is something that the SEC monitors and has consequences when it happens.
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by sn41 on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:47AM (#25985924)
"Easily" is a subjective claim. You can read the congressional testimony of Harry Markopolos from the Madoff scandal, where he explicitly says that SEC is hobbled because regulators do not have the werewithal to attend these hob-nobbing conferences. I am not in the finance industry, so my sources can only be public documents.

https://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=313

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by hi5eyes on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:31AM (#25985839)
Everyone’s seen the “consequences” like the ones Elon Musk faced after tweeting “funding secured”
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by freefal on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:14AM (#25985769)
The Post article is an op-ed, not something written by the editorial board. I’d prefer that newspapers feel free to publish a wide range of views without readers ascribing those views to the paper (I.e., the newsroom or editorial board).
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by harry8 on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:40AM (#25985879)
>free to publish a wide range of views...

Sure. But it's under their banner. They edit the op ed and can demand unsubstantiated claims be substantiated or removed. Otherwise it really is no better than done racist blog.

A case that can't be made without facts that can't be stood up shouldn't be made in any newspaper that values it's reputation.

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by mikeyouse on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:34AM (#25985853)
Ted Cruz is literally married to a Managing Director at Goldman Sachs - if people think his sanctimonious Tweets were a principled stance “against Wall St” then we’re in worse shape than I thought.
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by Aunche on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:45AM (#25985911)
Of course politicians will rally behind the populist narrative. They don't care that regular people are throwing away their money buying into conspiracy theories.
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by fourstar on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:33AM (#25985847)
All the focus on racism and divisiveness within the media (all the woke sjw BS) really started around after occupy Wall Street. Now why would they want that to happen? So maybe we fight with each other instead of with them and their profits?
Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by solipsism on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:22AM (#25985805)
People really don't seem to understand the concept of the op-ed. Maybe publications need to do a better job of making the distinction clear.

For reference, this is from an article from the newsroom:

But of course, what the Reddit cabal did to inflate the stock of bygone-era companies like GameStop, AMC Entertainment and Bed Bath & Beyond simply mirrored what the hedge fund sharpies had done in conspiring to “short” those same stocks and drive down the prices

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/30/financial...

Re:It Feels Like the Game Is Rigged by goatinaboat on Monday February 01, 2021 @12:36AM (#25985861)
People really don't seem to understand the concept of the op-ed. Maybe publications need to do a better job of making the distinction clear.

The concept is for the editor or owner to be able publish something with plausible deniability.