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Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by warent on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:36AM (#25917812)
I run a network ad-block dns (pihole) and consistently 25-33% of all my network traffic is blocked as ads. It's much more than I ever imagined. Now I'm used to a different internet, when I'm using internet off the network it's like WTF is this?
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by JKCalhoun on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:13PM (#25918399)
25-33% of requests? Or is this a percentage of bytes?

Because I wonder what percentage of bandwidth (in terms of bytes) trackers/banners/ads account for.

Need to set up a pi-hole ... just too many other projects....

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by Fiahil on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:33PM (#25918708)
It's a percent of DNS requests. It might be quite difficult to see what percentage of bytes it translate to, since HTTP requests aren't actually sent.

My pihole is showing 18.7%-23% of requests blocked :)

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by cptskippy on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:32PM (#25918703)
Pi-Hole is a DNS solution so it's just blocking DNS lookups. Mine is currently blocking 43.9% of all DNS requests.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:37PM (#25918774)
I set it up recently. It's about as much effort as buying and setting up a new laptop with ubuntu if you get a kit. I'd imagined it as a project beforehand, but in reality it's super easy and trivial (assuming you're comfortable using linux and ssh at a noob level).
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by warent on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @04:46PM (#25921438)
Yep same. I'm a mere web developer that mostly works on Mac. Getting Pihole setup only took me like an afternoon after having an RPi sitting around doing nothing for months. They make it really easy, just follow the instructions. Also I'm lucky enough that my router has a friendly interface where it's easy to set the router DNS to pihole.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by mstade on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:37PM (#25918775)
How would you measure bytes if the requests are blocked?
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by dylan604 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:25PM (#25919377)
Some people are good at thinking a process through to the end. Others are not and ask questions at the first unknown. It's a large part of why I'm not a teacher.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by emayljames on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @03:27PM (#25920648)
Run the same requests throught different end points. Each through pihole & unfiltered, while monitoring the traffic on both.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by mstade on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @04:27PM (#25921275)
Doesn’t that defeat the point of pihole? Though I suppose if what you want to do is measure things it makes sense.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by JKCalhoun on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @09:46PM (#25923657)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Just to get a sense of how much bandwidth I am saving by in fact blocking the request.

It would be nice to know how much we're wasting.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ogre_codes on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:39AM (#25917852)
I just have a decent set of ad blockers and the experience is similar. Unfortunately, it often results in weird experiences or I get sites which don't work at all if you have ad blocking.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by Average_ on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:02PM (#25918230)
Well that's interesting. For me 99.5% of websites work perfectly using ublock origin. The only .5% remaining are websites that actively refuse to serve any kind of adblock users, not because it breaks functionality on their site. I don't think I can recall having visited a single website that would have features break unintentionally because of ublock in the past few years.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by vianneychevalie on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:24PM (#25918579)
Can't agree with you, Dynamics 365 is one of them (it's shit but I've implemented it at work). EDF (French main electricity provider) also breaks for me. That's one example from a big company, and one example with a big user base.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by letitbeirie on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:32PM (#25919456)
The Denver Post just lost my business over this. They have one of those things that scrambles all the words for any user with the audacity to not want to see video+audio ads while reading their newspaper.

Is it their content to do what they want with? Sure.

Does the same logic apply to the $9 I used to give them each month? You're damn right.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ogre_codes on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @03:13PM (#25920529)
Hard agree. If I'm paying for content, I'd accept a small number of discrete advertising. Video advertising on a text/ photo site pisses me off in general and if I was paying for it? No chance I'd let that fly.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ogre_codes on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:36PM (#25918763)
I don't think my experience is vastly different from yours. I do get some sites where pop-overs or cookie notifications are blocked but it's not clear and you just can't scroll. I could turn off those blocker settings, but the notifications are annoying enough it's worth it.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ev1 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:29PM (#25918647)
It depends on how many privacy lists you have added, probably.

Normal display ads all being blocked is generally fine 99% of the time, but if you care about not being permanently tracked across the internet then there are a couple more domains you have to add - except some sites make it mandatory that those invasive fingerprinting scripts and port scanners run and report back a session, otherwise you're refused login or banned.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by xeonoex on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:19PM (#25918482)
Pi-Hole/NextDNS also blocks adds in most apps. I used NextDNS (which has a limit on the free tier), and recently switched to pihole running on my home server. I also use ZeroTier to connect to my server directly even when I am not on my local network to still use it as the DNS server. Works great.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by rndomsrmn on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @04:39PM (#25921389)
You can get even better coverage with the NoTracking lists (dnsmasq/unbound or dnscrypt-proxy) https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists

They focus not only on tracking but also malware prevention, where possible via dns filtering.

Pi-Hole still does not properly support wildcard filtering, only via regex but that is not really efficient (requires tons of resources).

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by StavrosK on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @03:36PM (#25920738)
I paid them, $20/yr is quite good and I can add my parents' house, my in-laws' house, etc on the same plan and manage them all centrally.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pradn on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:45AM (#25917958)
Question about pihole: is it possible to turn off blocking for a website? Do you have to log into the pihole web interface to do that? I often go to websites where some crucial functionality is blocked by my adblocker (ublock origin), where I have to turn it off for that site.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by spacedgrey on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:24PM (#25918580)
I map the command below to a keyboard shortcut to disable all pihole blocking for 60 seconds via the pihole disable API call.

wget --quiet "http://PIHOLE_IP/admin/api.php?disable=60&auth=YOUR_API_TOKE..."

You can find the token in the pihole Web GUI at, Settings > API/Web Interface > Show API token

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by biryani_chicken on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:52AM (#25918058)
I just stop using sites that gimp themselves when I use an adblocker. There's tons of alternatives for most things.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by GuB-42 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:25PM (#25918584)
It is not what GP asked.

An no, there isn't "tons of alternatives". In theory there is. But in practice, they can really make your life harder. Some may say that Signal is an alternative for WhatsApp, but if people you communicate with don't want to use anything but WhatsApp, then Signal is useless. I hate Facebook but when I want to plan an event, I found nothing better, simply because that's the platform that reaches the most people. Network effects... But also, your favorite show may not be on "alternative" streaming platforms, sometimes your job, or worse, the government may require a specific website.

There are extremists who are ready to find alternative friends, shows or jobs just to avoid using some website. It is a good thing these people exist, that's how progress is made. But for most people you have to make compromises.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by JKCalhoun on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:41PM (#25918811)
> I hate Facebook but when I want to plan an event…

Ah! That's why I haven't missed Facebook. I am old enough that I don't plan events any longer.

(Or maybe I have no social life. Actually, that's right, I don't. ;-))

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pradn on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:07PM (#25918311)
There aren't always alternatives - think shopping for certain items, government forms.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by tux1968 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:27PM (#25918624)
Why would a site that hopes you'll send them money in exchange for product, refuse your traffic if you have an ad blocker enabled? That just costs them money. Same for government forms, why would they refuse your traffic if you're blocking ads?
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by vaduz on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:52PM (#25918961)
It might not be intentional to break the site experience for adblock users - but there is a number of sites that has implemented link tracking in a way that overrides the normal click (though sometimes not keypress) events, to let the tracking code do its thing. If the tracking code is blocked or fails to load, that means a lot of actions break.

Best part? Trying to convince the operators of such sites that users they cannot see in their "analytics solution" are worth fixing their site for is not exactly a straightfoward job - from their narrow view, these users simply do not exist, because the tracking does not show them!

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pradn on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:38PM (#25918784)
I wonder, too. Yet I still see these issues.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by contravariant on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:29PM (#25918643)
You have adds on your government forms?
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pradn on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:38PM (#25918779)
Ad blockers have false positives.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ogre_codes on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:57AM (#25918161)
How do you use the web when you can't click on links?

I can't effectively keep a mental black list of all the sites which I don't want to click on.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by biryani_chicken on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:22PM (#25918535)
I don't. I mean, if it's a news site just search for the title in a search engine and you'll find other articles. If it's a web application I search for an alternative and bookmark that. If you really want to avoid even loading it, you can just block the whole site with your adblocker but I don't go that far.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ogre_codes on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:33PM (#25918724)
That is what I currently do. It turns casual browsing into a frustrating scavenger hunt. The whole point of the web was to make links effortless so you could browse sites. This breaks that whole model.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by oivey on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:09PM (#25918347)
Very few sites are broken with ad blocking. If you click on one, you just press the back button. No need for a mental blacklist.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by guilhermetk on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:48AM (#25918001)
Yes, you can do that via whitelist/blacklist: https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/
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Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by vaduz on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:33PM (#25918713)
> allowlist/denylist

As of now, it is called whitelist/blacklist in PiHole [0]. Maybe it will change, maybe it will not, but there is already a place to fight that battle [1] and it is not HN.

[0] https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/misc/whitelist-blacklist/

[1] https://github.com/pi-hole/AdminLTE/issues/1448

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by daotoad on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:56PM (#25919003)
Why are people being so negative about this?

If the terms whitelist/blacklist are hurtful to some people because of all the racial baggage we've applied to the words white and black, why not switch to allow/deny instead?

Using allow/deny is more explicit and doesn't rely on the benign cultural associations with the colors black and white. The choice of colors used here is arbitrary. For example, one could just as easily use green/red in reference to traffic signal colors. Ask yourself, would it bother you if we used blue and pink for allow and deny? What if we used blue or white as synonymous with deny?

Two good reasons exist to change our habits, basic manners and clarity.

I'm sure I'll use the terms blacklist and whitelist from time to time out of accumulated habit. But there's no reason for me to cling to those terms. Being gently reminded to use objectively clearer terminology shouldn't engender hostility on my part. I try not to be an unpleasant person, part of that is when someone tells me my behavior has a negative impact on them, I try to listen to what they say and modify my behavior--while actually effecting change can be hard, the underlying concept is pretty simple.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by Macha on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @03:04PM (#25920427)
There is a real cost to changing APIs/documentation/UIs. My experience talking to black (one African, one European) coworkers is their reaction is "That's the problem you're going to fix?". When the company does a companywide initative to remove "problematic" terms from APIs/documentation, but doesn't stop funding of politicians who support voter suppression that predominantly affect black people in real practical ways, that bemusement can even turn to offense as they feel placated.

Of course, my coworkers don't represent all black people, and especially wouldn't claim to represent African Americans, but if even black people can hold this opinion, are you surprised others don't see this as worth the effort to change?

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ogre_codes on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @03:59PM (#25920980)
> There is a real cost to changing APIs/documentation/UIs.

This is an OSS project. If someone cares enough about it, they should submit a (non-breaking) patch along with a patch for the documentation. There are no costs to people who don't find it a valuable change.

> My experience talking to black (one African, one European) coworkers is their reaction is "That's the problem you're going to fix?".

Obviously this isn't fixing any of the fundamental issues, but it does bother some people. My preference is to respect the people who have problems with it. An easy policy is to simply avoid creating new software which uses that terminology and to accept any patches which fix it. That way the people who feel the change is important bear the burden of the cost (which is likely small some thing like this).

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by shakna on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:43PM (#25919588)
Whitelist/blacklist have their origins in terms from the 1400s and nothing to do with race (they have to do with criminality). Twisting their etymology to fit some kind of racial bias is sort of weird.

And throwing aside 600 years of clarity for "basic manners" also seems rather weird. Sort of like banning the word "engender" because a small minority might find that to be offensive. It isn't clearer to use a different word than has been used for over half a millennium.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by sib on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @04:55PM (#25921513)
For a while, people were getting in trouble for using the word, "niggardly," even though it had nothing to do with the offensive term that it sounds like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_n...

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by shakna on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @08:51PM (#25923326)
The difference being that the controversy around white/blacklist only appeared after someone said it was a controversy in 2018, which is extremely recent, and the wording doesn't contain any phonetic similarity to a term from slavery. Being able to be misheard is more of a problem when phonetics clash.

Should all terms for the colour-that-is-somewhat-the-absence-of-colour now be banned? Is Vanta Black now racist?

Manufactured controversy leads you down a path of absurdism. It isn't helpful to the people it purports to help, whilst granting the vocal group the ability to say they're being helpful whilst actively ignoring any actual problems.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by sib on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:02AM (#25929861)
Oh, I agree. I think whitelist / blacklist is a manufactured controversy.

But my point is that, if people took the time to learn the background, perhaps (in both of these examples, and others), we could avoid the kerfuffles.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by 8note on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @03:28PM (#25920663)
Blacklist/whitelist are not used consistently, so the clarity is not there. You can't see whitelist and consistently know whether it's going to be an allow list or a deny list
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by shakna on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @08:41PM (#25923264)
I don't believe I have ever seen a single example of a whitelist not being a list of exemptions. Nor can I seem to find any.

Nor can I find any example where blacklist is not a list of denied subjects. A blacklisted person, website or process is immediately clear within their context.

Where the clarity is lacking is not clear to me. However the mismatch between "allow list" and "whitelist", is. The latter seems to have a different meaning altogether.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by rgossiaux on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @02:10PM (#25919903)
>objectively clearer terminology

Sorry but I find this claim (which I've heard from others too) ridiculous. "Blacklist" is an actual common English word in the dictionary. "Denylist" is an incredibly awkward-sounding neologism without any context or history behind it. There is no way that "denylist" is the "objectively clearer" one here.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ogre_codes on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:05PM (#25919129)
I suspect it is the perception that it's a bit pedantic to correct an otherwise correct answer. I agree with you, but also don't really think it needs to be corrected every single time someone posts whitelist/blacklist.

EDIT: apparently setting allowlist/denylist won't work so it's not just being pedantic, it's wrong.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by tsujp on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:55AM (#25918109)
You and everyone else who exhibit this are reading into things that don't exist. Language has context, words are part of language and so therefore words have context too.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pkulak on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:17PM (#25918456)
Exactly. And using white/black as synonyms for good/bad may be creating context (connotations, really) that we don't want. It would be fine if we hadn't already overloaded those words to refer to people... but, here we are. In the context we've created. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by cgriswald on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:52PM (#25918960)
The original poster used the terms used by the technology. The best choices for changing this terminology would be to write a treatise for HN consumption (to reach the community at large) or to contact the authors of the technology that use this terminology (to fix the origin in this case). Sniping a 'random internet poster' is just lazy trolling.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by JKCalhoun on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:37PM (#25918773)
A black celebrity (forget who) said that he came to the realization growing up that the only positive connotation he could find for black was "in the black" with regards to finances.

So, I kind of see the point.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by cgriswald on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:58PM (#25919033)
The downside of that is being 'in the red', which is also potentially problematic.

To fix the problem, we either have to stop referring to any metaphor/symbol involving color with negative connotations; or we have to stop using color to identify and refer to people. I think the former is good for precision (allowlist/denylist are great identifiers in that regard), but won't really solve our other problems; while the latter is probably better for human dignity, mutual respect, and combating our propensity for tribalism/racism. (Or, why not, we could do both.)

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ARandomerDude on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:04PM (#25918263)
Man I can't wait until I get special treatment because I drive a vehicle of color.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by trewnews on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:05PM (#25918274)
Really? Is this not Doublespeak?
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by kayodelycaon on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:35PM (#25918748)
Not quite. A number of applications use allow/deny for access control. I’ve seen allowlist and denylist more than ten years ago.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by corobo on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:50AM (#25918039)
You can whitelist yes, or there's an option to disable the entire thing temporarily for x minutes.

Yes you have to log in to the interface unless you engineer a way around it

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by loughnane on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @08:43AM (#25928126)
On iOS there is an app called piHoleRemote that had a nice widget that allows you to disable pihole for x minutes.

Can be nice to use to quickly disable pihole to get through to a particular website.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by vdqtp3 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @11:51AM (#25918049)
Yes, you have to login to disable but you could easily use the API. For instance, pihole.disable(60) with https://pypi.org/project/PiHole-api/
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by cj on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:04PM (#25918258)
My solution to this is using Cloudflare Warp (Cloudflare's consumer-facing VPN).

When I need to access ads.google.com or analytics.google.com for my company, I turn on Cloudflare, and pihole is bypassed.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pkulak on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:11PM (#25918368)
I run Pi-Hole on my network as well; it's wonderful. I'm terrified that it will stop working soon though, as companies start to use their own DNS servers, which I've heard is happening.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by JKCalhoun on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:32PM (#25918697)
Interesting. I would think though that the move to their own DNS servers could extend to their own ads as well — that is, cutting out the middle man that is Google/etc.

I'm all for news sites, for example, hoisting ads if I knew they were getting the money from those ads, knew the ads were actually coming from their site.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pkulak on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:36PM (#25918757)
Sorry, I didn't mean their _own_ servers, I just meant hard-coding 8.8.8.8 into the DNS settings, for example.

I wonder if you could hijack those requests at your router and send them back to your Pi-Hole? But then they just switch to DNS over TLS...

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by varenc on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:46PM (#25918874)
I just have my network block outgoing DNS queries that aren’t from the gateway. But you’re so right that DoH is going to throw a wrench in this.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by letitbeirie on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:50PM (#25919660)
If an ad can use DoH to sidestep a firewall, so can an employee. If Google and Facebook were cunning (and nefarious, but that much is presumed), they would be aggressively developing a product that solves this problem for corporate networks, but at an enormous cost. Otherwise, when corporate networks solve this (and they will), home users who hate ads will just follow whatever pattern they settle on.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by varenc on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:08AM (#25924538)
Encrypted DNS is going to upset a lot of corporate network management/monitoring... But the switch to HTTPS for everything caused similar frustration for IT admins awhile ago.

In the corporate world, I think the future is managing your network by managing every single device on your network. Only let authorized/corp devices in and all those devices must be enrolled in an MDM solution that enforces all sorts of policy and includes monitoring traffic/DNS queries. Of course that's a lot more work than just monitoring things at the network level.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by warent on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:21PM (#25922227)
I'm not sure I understand how this is related to pi-hole.

Your computer sends the raw domain name to pi-hole (e.g. ads.google.com), and pi-hole returns 0.0.0.0 if it's on the block list.

There's nothing Google or anyone can do to make pi-hole stop working.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by leesalminen on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:44PM (#25922410)
IoT devices are starting to use hardcoded DNS servers instead of using the one provided by DHCP, which negates the benefits of Pi-Hole on those devices.

For now, I've configured my router to force all UDP port 53 traffic to my Pi-Hole which overrides what I mentioned above.

But, in the future we may start to see IoT Devices hard-code DoH servers which will be harder to force over to the Pi-Hole.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by pkulak on Thursday January 28, 2021 @01:55PM (#25947024)
> I've configured my router to force all UDP port 53 traffic to my Pi-Hole

Oh wow, how do you do that?

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by rodgerd on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:40PM (#25918798)
This is pretty much why Google are a huge proponent of DoH.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by karakanb on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:40PM (#25918803)
Would you mind sharing the blocklists you use? I have gotten to a ratio like that, but I have noticed that it was causing more issues with regular websites for my guests, so I removed many of the custom ones. I'd like to try some others if you have suggestions.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by warent on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:22PM (#25922237)

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Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by andreasha on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:30PM (#25919432)
Noticed that some apps on iOS spammed the DNS server if they couldn't connect to their ad networks which should affect battery negatively.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by dheera on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:28PM (#25918633)
I added this to my /etc/hosts

https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts

What is the advantage of having DNS on a separate device other than that it provides ad blocking for multiple devices?

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by varenc on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:57PM (#25919017)
That’s the main benefit.

But also you can have more flexible block patterns. I run DNSCrypt-Proxy and my block lists can have wildcards. With /etc/hosts you have to enumerate each origin. It can also do things like IP blocking where if any domain resolves to a known ad network IP, then that request is blocked.

But mainly, DNSCrypt-proxy encrypts all my outgoing queries and round robins them across resolvers. (Also hi dheera!)

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by mixmastamyk on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:10PM (#25919204)
I use the noscript extension that uses a scripting whitelist. Bit of a pain at first, but pretty soon your browser will be flying. No extra hardware needed.

Kid's computer has dnsmasq as a similar solution.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by wejick on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:44PM (#25919595)
My issue with pihole or any other DNS adblocker is I can't whitelist some website that I love. As evil as ada network, but I still want my favorite site to get some revenue.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by McDyver on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:56PM (#25919744)
Maybe your favourite site would welcome a direct contribution, instead of an ad click
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by rodgerd on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:39PM (#25918787)
Mine was that high, until I ditched all the family Android devices. It's now around 2-3%. It's quite an extraordinary difference.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by mstade on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:39PM (#25918790)
I use NextDNS for this, it's brilliant. (I'm not affiliated with them in any way, just a happy customer.)
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by jeanofthedead on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:45PM (#25918860)
Same. I got tired of Pihole breaking for one reason or another (although I certainly adore the project). NextDNS works extremely well, provides a native app for every device, runs on my router, and is dead simple to maintain.
Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by mstade on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @04:26PM (#25921263)
Hear hear. The only problem I’ve had was when I set it up on my router and my IKEA smart lights stopped responding after some 30 min or so. Turns out the gateway phones home and those calls were blocked, so for some reason or another the gateway just stopped responding to commands. Restarting it or resetting the network made it fly again, but only for the set time before it phoned home again. I was very disappointed by that, after having read some article here on HN arguing that IKEA had actually done IoT sort of right. Oh well.

Obviously not a NextDNS specific issue, it’d happen with anything that blocks the call, but just putting it out there for the next sucker that tries to google why their IKEA gateway suddenly stops responding.

Re:Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies by ycombinete on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:01PM (#25919076)
Would Pihole affect latency in online games?