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Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by thekyle on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:21AM (#25891146)
I wonder why they don't just do a direct listing and sell it to retail investors.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by andy_ppp on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:51AM (#25891302)
Because it’s worth more to nvidia would be my guess?
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by Ericson2314 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @09:39AM (#25892351)
A good indication of an anti-trust violation, if there ever was one!
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by macleginn on Sunday January 24, 2021 @10:18AM (#25892698)
By this logic, every acquisition involving a premium is a an anti-trust violation.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by Ericson2314 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @10:33AM (#25892831)
I mean every consolidation is bad for competition in the first order. There are just sometimes higher order ameliorating effects.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by thethimble on Sunday January 24, 2021 @12:02PM (#25893558)
Every consolidation isn’t necessarily fundamentally bad. Sometimes consolidations result in cost reduction synergies that partially get passed back to consumers. Elimination of inefficiency is good for everyone including the consumer. Of course there’s downsides of consolidation but I think there are upsides too.

An example that comes to mind is Tesla’s acquisition of SolarCity. Another is Amazon’s acquisition of Twitch or Google’s acquisition of YouTube (it seems prohibitive to run video streaming services sustainably/profitably without the infrastructure efficiencies of Amazon/Google).

Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by satellite2 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @05:40PM (#25896955)
I think that's exactly what the author meant

> consolidation > cost reduction > synergies > passed back to the consumer => second order

fucking up your competitors => first order

That's generally why you have to guess at the long term effect of any merger. "Will the consumer benefit only in the short term and the diminution of competition will end up hurting them in the long term?" is the question regulators should answer.

Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by andy_ppp on Sunday January 24, 2021 @11:41AM (#25893370)
Yes.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by throwaway4good on Sunday January 24, 2021 @06:51AM (#25891301)
That is a good question; I assume the answer is that they cannot get a 40B valuation if they IPO.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by Wronnay on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:09AM (#25891385)
I think they would easily get a 40B valuation on an IPO.

People know that ARM is used in all smartphones and after Apples M1 and the growing usage in Servers many believe that ARM is the future.

Also - with an IPO, customers of ARM like Apple could easily buy shares of ARM...

Probably the reason why Apple didn't bought ARM is because they know they wouldn't get through the competition authorities.

But with an IPO, Apple and other customers could buy something like 9 percent of ARM...

Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by gigatexal on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:53AM (#25891627)
M1 is arm instructions apple design.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by vitno on Sunday January 24, 2021 @10:54AM (#25892995)
This still requires a fairly pricey license from Arm to use the ISA
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by Tsiklon on Sunday January 24, 2021 @01:39PM (#25894481)
Apple helped found ARM, I would be very surprised if they didn’t receive favourable terms on an eternal license.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by amelius on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:15AM (#25891414)
They could also simply hire the ARM employees for a lot less than $40B over the near future.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by kelnos on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:32AM (#25891512)
That doesn't really help them all that much, at least not for the reasons why owning ARM could be useful: the IP.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by amelius on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:47AM (#25891591)
My understanding was that Apple already reimplemented large parts of the IP and that they are now mostly a licensee of the ISA.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by vinay_ys on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:13AM (#25891756)
Apple's ISA can become more and more divergent from Arm and it wouldn't matter. Apple controls the entire software stack that runs on their hardware.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by amelius on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:21AM (#25891800)
I think Apple is bound by contract to respect the original ISA (except perhaps the parts they use internally and don't expose external developers to). Forcing external parties to use a translator instead of machine language directly could be one approach to circumvent this.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by thewindowmovie5 on Sunday January 24, 2021 @12:33PM (#25893847)
Also, is not the whole value in using Arm ISA, the ecosystem behind it? If Apple starts diverging from the standard, then it cannot benefit from the existing ecosystem and neither can a software dev say develop on Mac and deploy to graviton. I think it is big lose lose if Apple diverges from standard.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by floatboth on Sunday January 24, 2021 @01:05PM (#25894135)
Apple never used any 64-bit cores from Arm. Their own Cyclone was developed in parallel with Arm's Cortex-A57.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by martinald on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:01AM (#25891349)
I mean it was valued pretty close to that on the public markets before SoftBank bought it, and tech shares in general have appreciated massively since then, so I think they could get a decent price at IPO.
Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by throwaway4good on Sunday January 24, 2021 @07:05AM (#25891373)
That is my intuition too; ARM is a wellknown name and semiconductors is a hot sector at the moment, in particular with a shift away from X86 for personal computing.

However they probably cannot sell all the shares at an IPO and get the full 40B in cash which maybe is what SoftBank wants at present.

Re:SoftBank’s plan to sell Arm to Nvidia is hitting antitrus... by runawaybottle on Sunday January 24, 2021 @08:25AM (#25891827)
You must have not seen the trajectory equities are on now days. 40b would be an absolute joke to achieve by end of year.