> so no oxygen enters.

Not strictly true, some air does get back in the wine bag, even with the best boxes I've bought. But not enough to spoil the wine before I've manage to polish it off :)

There aren’t any bagged wines worth drinking. There are some ok wines with screw tops or synthetic corks. Wine drinkers don’t like the idea of things changing.

I hate to say that this is nonsense and a touch of wine snobbery, and I'm a "wine drinker". As daily drivers and post work glugs there are plenty of decent bagged wines (or rather boxes). I've had plenty from pals who've brought these things back from French supermarkets to Scotland, which are super cheap and decent quality for the money.

It all depends on the wine you want to drink in the moment. As my brother once pointed out when our mother passed away, there's drinking whisky and funeral whisky.

> this is nonsense and a touch of wine snobbery,

I think you're in more agreement with GP than you realise - as I read it they're saying it's a good system, but we (collectively/on average/'Big Wine') don't want it to change, so box wine is mostly at the low end.

Naked (vintner in the UK, and I think recentlyish launched in the US too) has started doing some boxes though, so some of the more popular (and again, cheaper, but it's a higher starting point than a supermarket) stuff they sell is starting to be available boxed instead of bottles.

I think Naked actually does all the bottling itself in the UK, so if it's popular it'll probably be quite easy for them to expand (i.e. bag and box more instead of bottling it) maybe just needing agreement from the vineyard.

I would have quite mixed feelings about it becoming standard though, even if I know it's better on paper.

I'm wondering if you're replying to a different GP comment than I did, which pretty much dismisses bagged wines:

> There aren’t any bagged wines worth drinking.

Do you have any suggestions for bagged wine in the us that would be comparable to a $20 bottle?

I have tried most and haven’t found any

I do not believe that you (or anyone) can reliably distinguish in a blind test the average $10 bottle from the average $20 bottle.

I think that could be true for for averages, but I usually don’t drink randomly selected wines. I pick wines I am familiar with and like. I think that I can find more wines I like at 20

You should google sommelier tests - they can name regions in blind tests, not just quality.

Whether it’s actually “better” in any real sense is debatable. But wines are certainly distinguishable

Most of us aren't sommeliers though. In a blind test the best I could do would be to say "I like that one, don't like this other one etc". And I feel I know a reasonable bit about reds and have done plenty of tastings over the years. I usually go for the best bang for the buck, and at the moment there's a bunch of great South American wines priced at around GBP5.50-7.00 that are great daily drivers.

Is it quality they can't identify, or price? Is there even an objective measure of wine quality? Price at least is objective.

Quality is inherently subjective, but there are widely adopted rating systems

Costco. Both the cab & pinot grigio are decent- and I have hated every other boxed wine I’ve tried.

Thanks, will check it out!

So if you are looking for something nice and reasonable I cannot recommend enough going to Trader Joes and just trying every bottle under $12. There are some pretty dang good ones.

We tried all the various boxes and found ones we like (bota maybe - the wife buys it), mainly white wines. They seem to keep in the refrigerator fine for a couple of weeks.

Haven't really found a box/bag red that I like enough to keep buying. Instead I keep a bottle of some sort of red on hand so I can have a 1/2 glass with whatever food I cook that night.

Additionally, I order cases of more unique wines from b21 and keep it on hand for special occasions.

Sadly I didn't keep any notes on the producers or grapes. I trust my pals not to bring back cheek puckering bags of vinegar :) Also these are 10 litre duty-free boxes which the equivalents would be eye wateringly expensive in the UK due to the tax our government slaps on wine. So I have to wait until their next trip (who knows when?) for another lot.

I drink a lot of wine, I love buying Yalumba/Winesmith Shiraz casks. Taste great and no ill effects.

If you live in France, Taipei or Lausanne, you may live near a BiboVino shop, they sell good quality wine in bags. On top of that they sometimes also act as bistronomie restaurants with really diverse wine pairings.

https://stjohnrestaurant.com/collections/bag-in-box these are great if you're in the UK.

I disagree. But the context is what you are comparing it to. I think boxed wines (Bota Box mostly) easily beats most 10-20 dollar bottles (reds) at <1/5 the cost. If you are comparing it to a 20-50 dollar bottle, yah, you are right.

Also, your comment is US centric. I lived in Italy for several years and the boxed wine was fantastic. Same quality as bottled, fixes the issues presented, and viewed as better for the environment.