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Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by iso1631 on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:44PM (#25794508)
> it's just very difficult

It's really really simple, as shown by Uganda, Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey, India and many more countries.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by Nextgrid on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:51PM (#25794609)
My intent was to say it's difficult without incurring major side-effects to the economy. I've updated my comment to clarify.

Of course, if you don't have a significant economy to begin with or something else has already disrupted it (riots, uprising, etc - which could also be what prompts you to shut down the internet) then it's not a problem.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by freeone3000 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:02PM (#25794769)
Or you simply value control over money. The economy is not the primary goal of everyone, not even all governments.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by read_if_gay_ on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:03PM (#25794790)
You need some degree of economy to have control though.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by iso1631 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:23PM (#25795063)
But evidence shows countries turning the internet off all the time, let alone specific filtering, and their economies haven't collapsed. India does it dozens of times a year.

In most cases you don't need to completely turn everything off, just shut down the mobile networks, and maybe the big domestic broadband networks, and that's good enough.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by megous on Saturday January 16, 2021 @06:44PM (#25806640)
Turn off internet or block social networks?
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by imtringued on Saturday January 16, 2021 @12:46PM (#25803827)
If your country has natural resources it is very easy to heavily control that part of the economy and suppress the less controllable parts of the economy (by shutting the internet down for example).
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by celim307 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:52PM (#25795453)
North Korea says sup
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by xxpor on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:20PM (#25795032)
It's simple if you setup your infra in such a way you expect to be able to turn it off. It'd be a lot harder in the US where things are a lot more decentralized. In Uganda, I wouldn't be shocked if all connectivity to outside of the country went through one physical building.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by iso1631 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:58PM (#25795529)
Maybe the US, which is a very large country, but issue an order to the major ISPs (cellular and cable) to stop carrying domestic network traffic and you accomplish pretty much the same thing. Sure there may be some WISPs in the middle of nowhere which aren't affected, but you've accomplished most of your goal.

There's two ways for internet to be shut down.

One is legal -- the government tells registered ISPs "stop forwarding packets". Doesn't matter how good your connectivity is when you simply have to turn it off. Your protection there are courts etc, but it's not technically difficult.

The other approach is extra-legal -- e.g a terrorist attack.

Just look at the effect from a car bomb in Nashville last month, I quote from a newspaper:

> The immediate repercussions were surprisingly widespread. AT&T customers lost service — phones, internet or video — across large parts of Tennessee, Kentucky and Alabama. There were 911 centers in the region that couldn't take calls; others didn't receive crucial data associated with callers such as their locations. The Nashville police department's phones and internet failed. Stores went cash-only.

> At some hospitals, electronic medical records, internet service or phones stopped working. The Nashville airport halted flights for about three hours on Christmas. Rival carrier T-Mobile also had service issues as far away as Atlanta, 250 miles away, because the company uses AT&T equipment for moving customer data from towers to the T-Mobile network.

The area effected was about 100,000 square miles, roughly the same size as Uganda. From one carbomb outside one building.

I think there's only one major Internet Exchange point in Uganda (just like it seems there was one in the south east of the US), but there's certainly multiple fibres in and out. If you're in Mbarara and sending traffic to Rwanda it's unlikely to go via Kampala.

Here's a network map of one provider in Uganda: https://bcs-ea.com/service/uganda/

The UK has a few exchanges, but almost everything runs through Docklands in London - various Telehouse buildings within a mile of each other, Telecity etc. Almost all internet traffic in the UK runs through London, and the sites that aren't are owned by Linx (IXLeeds is the only one that isn't). A major flood breaching the Thames Barrier will cause chaos.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by im3w1l on Saturday January 16, 2021 @01:41AM (#25800586)
> One is legal -- the government tells registered ISPs "stop forwarding packets".

This only works as long as people respect the law. It wouldn't surprise me if in many countries they'd keep forwarding packets on the down-low. Black market internet access. At least for extended shutdowns. May not be any incentive if it lasts very short time.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by Izkata on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:19PM (#25795006)
Didn't Egypt end up with citizen-run satellite or mesh networks that crossed borders? I vaguely remember people from other countries organizing on Twitter to provide it somehow.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by londons_explore on Saturday January 16, 2021 @03:44AM (#25801013)
People always talk about networks like that. But the reality is they tend to only be a few thousand people max, while millions are still left unconnected.

They're good for exfiltrating news.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by aaomidi on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:50PM (#25794596)
Iran, last year. Internet was out for like two weeks.